Horse Slaughter… Why?

February 22, 2011 § 36 Comments

Every now and again… ok, actually every time I read anything about horse slaughter… I get frustrated with the arguments I keep seeing for horse slaughter, and it makes me wonder “Why are people pushing horse slaughter so hard?”.  It frustrates me because I see the same “arguments” over and over again, and many points are completely unfounded or disproven!  So I decided to add “reasons” and “arguments” to this page, and see where it takes me…

I will note that (a) there is a difference between an argument and a reason, and (b) this is a very emotional topic for many people on both sides of the debate – I’ve tried to take emotion out of the equation as much as possible.

Common of “Reasons” pro-Slaughter (and Rebuttal)

I have rebutted each “reason” for slaughter in italics.

  1. The closure of the slaughter plants in the United States has caused an increase in neglect and dumping of horses.
    Close to the same number of horses are being slaughtered each year – the only difference is they’re being transported to Canada and Mexico.  Since this remains fact, how did the closure affect anything?  It obviously did not.
  2. Without horse slaughter (still available in Canada and Mexico) many more horses would starve and be neglected.
    See answer above.  Also, it has been shown that there is not a significant increase in actual cases of abandonment, but rather an increase in reporting the cases that do occur.  As for neglect, there are many reasons that factor into these cases; many having to to with the current economy (which not one single pro-slaughter proponent seems to ever admit).
  3. People need a place to take their horses when they’re lame, no longer useful, etc. and get money for them.
    Like any other animal that people acquire and keep for long periods of time – people should take responsibility for that animal.  That responsibility includes standards of care throughout the life of the animal including veterinary care, and should include humane euthanization when the animal is in pain or otherwise debilitated.  The same goes for if you can not find a suitable new home for the animal when you are no longer capable of caring for it.
  4. Many parts of the horse are useful for things other than human consumption (glue, hair, etc.).
    There are many other substitutions for any product made from horses.  I defy to you name one single product that comes from the horses carcass that can not be made synthetically or from cow.
  5. Horse slaughter is humane.
    Horse slaughter is not humane, and is impossible to make it humane when the horse is slaughtered like cattle.  Horses have been equated to deer in their fear/flight response and therefore slaughter is inhumane.
  6. Transportation of horses to slaughter is regulated and enforced.
    Just because there are regulations in place does not equate humane handling.  Horses are still transported on double-decker trucks that are too short for them.  Sometimes those trucks are unloaded just before arrival at the Canadian border and they’re reloaded into appropriate trailers for Canada.  The regulations state that horses can not be transported longer than 36 hours without food, water or rest.  After 36 hours a five hour rest break is mandatory.  In my (and many others) opinion, 36 hours without a break, food or water is entirely too long to transport a horse – for many reasons.  Add to that the fact many horses are not fed or watered once being dropped off at auction, and they end up going for significantly longer than 36 hours without food or water.
  7. Since there are no more slaughter houses in the States, horses are forced to endure longer transportation to Canada and Mexico (reason to reopen horse slaughter houses in the States).
    This is technically correct.  While they are being made to travel further, that does not mean slaughter houses should reopen in the States.  Two wrongs don’t make a right.
  8. The price of horses has dropped because of the lack of slaughter in the United States.
    The price of horses has dropped globally for horses.  This includes in Canada, where horse slaughter is readily available.  It also includes other countries who slaughter horses.  Therefore the closure of the American slaughter houses has not had any affect on the price of horses.  Also note that well-bred, skilled and proven horses are still at a premium price.  From those two facts you can surmise that (a) slaughter does not affect price and (b) only ‘average’ or worse horses (poorly bred, unskilled, unproven) are dropping in price.
  9. Slaughter houses bring money to a community through taxes, jobs, etc.
    It has been proven time and again that the companies that run slaughter houses are routinely foreign-owned, and pay little in taxes.  That money is leaving the country.  It has also been proven time and again that those slaughter houses mainly hire immigrant workers at low wages, and create ecological messes that cost already taxed communities a great deal of money in clean-up, enforcement, etc.  ALL you have to do is read this letter, and see the conditions, completely disgusting.

Common “Arguments” pro-Slaughter (and Rebuttal)

I have rebutted each “reason” for slaughter in italics.

  1. If you eat meat but are anti-slaughter you are a hypocrite.
    There is a difference between the way food-chain animals and horses are treated.  Horses are commonly treated more as pets, and are much more attached to people.  It seems to be more of a betrayal to kill animals who are so attached to humans.
  2. Hindus revere the cow but don’t come here and try to shut down our cattle slaughter plants.
    People in India are not slaughtering their cows and shipping the meat to other countries for human consumption!

Common “Reasons” anti-Slaughter

  1. Bute is a drug commonly given horses, and there are no regulations enforcing a “paper trail” for its administration.  Bute is banned in meat destined for human consumption, and there is no “withdrawal” period.  No animal destined for the food chain is supposed to ever have had Bute.  Testing for Bute is done incorrectly, as it remains in the bones, not muscle or blood.
  2. Ecological issues surrounding horse slaughter plants are extensive and expensive to deal with (odor and wastewater effluence violations, violations to industrial waste permits, transport of offal and fresh hides conducted in leaking containers without covers, blood flowing in the ditches, adverse effects on the wastewater treatment plant, clogged sewer lines, and both spilled and pumped blood into nearby creeks).
  3. Horses are more akin to deer than cattle in their flight responses, therefore making it extremely difficult to kill them by captive bolt or bullet to the head in slaughter-house conditions.
  4. The cattle slaughter houses, which were retrofitted to accommodate horses, are still not designed properly to manage horses size and fear reactions – specifically the concrete floors make it impossible for the horse to achieve proper footing, amongst other things.

Common “Arguments” anti-Slaughter

  1. Horses are pets, they are not raised in North America for their meat.  They are treated as pets in the majority of cases, and/or are used in jobs, sports, competitions, etc.
  2. People don’t eat horse meat in North America, and therefore horses should not be slaughtered and sent overseas for other people.  (Edit in: there are small pockets of people who do eat horse meat in North America, but it accounts for less than 2-3% of the market – should we allow a maximum of 3% of the population to dictate the slaughter of horses for human consumption?)

There are several solutions to the over-population of horses that have nothing to do with slaughter.  Why are people not investigating solutions other than slaughter for these issues they deem so important as to bring back, or increase, the amount of horses being slaughtered?  This is the real question, in my eyes.  The fact that pro-slaughter proponents continually push the slaughter agenda, supposedly for the “good of the horse”, while  never once putting forth a single other option as a solution, makes me wonder what the reasoning really is as to why they push so hard for slaughter.

Reasons People are Actually pro-Slaughter

  1. Money – Registries:
    Some breed registries promote slaughter; more horses slaughtered makes more room for breeding more horses, which then are registered and that brings money to the registry.
  2. Accountability – Market:
    Merriam Websters dictionary defines the word accountability as follows:  an obligation or willingness to accept responsibility or to account for one’s actions.
    Breeders do not have accountability for the horses they breed, whether for racing or any other industry or reason, for the horses they produce.
  3. Money – Costs:
    Merriam Websters dictionary defines the word “cull” as follows:  to select from a group : choose – and – to reduce or control the size of (as a herd) by removal (as by hunting) of especially weaker animals; also : to hunt or kill (animals) as a means of population control
    Instead of being accountable for the horses they breed, breeders “cull” and take the “unwanted” horses to slaughter (often without even a chance of sale to a good home), thereby reducing the number of horses to feed and care for, and receiving at least a nominal amount of money for them.
  4. Responsibility – Costs:
    Merriam Websters dictionary defines the word “responsibility” as follows:  moral, legal, or mental accountability (edit in: I would like to add “financial” to the list, which would actually be covered under “legal”)
    It is an expensive proposition to breed horses on a large scale if you want to make money.  Since breeders are legally responsible to pay to feed all the animals in their care, the expense rises exponentially.
  5. Responsibility – Market:
    If a breeder has a place to “dump” horses that don’t make the cut (cull), they will never have to take responsibility for those horses, and in fact they receive compensation for doing so.  See item #4 in this list.
  6. Accountability – Abuse and Neglect:
    Slaughter allows an owner to abuse and neglect their horses without being held accountable.  What better way to hide their crimes than to ship the victim off to slaughter?
  7. And finally, MONEY $$$ MONEY $$$ MONEY
    “An estimated $5 million in Federal funding was being spent annually to support three foreign-owned horse slaughter plants! And when the Dallas Crown tax records were exposed in the city’s legal struggle, we found that they had paid only $5 in federal taxes on a gross income of over $12,000,000”
    This is why “elected officials” are pushing the slaughter agenda – they want a piece of the $5 million dollar pie.

Solutions?

My next post will be about some possible solutions or ideas that may help with the reasons there are more horses than homes.  Fix the reasons, and you fix the problem.

If you had a very expensive car, and it was leaking an average of a litre of oil every hour, what would you do?  Would you put a pan under the car in the driveway and call it a day?  That wouldn’t work well.  Maybe dig a trench so the oil runs to a collection area and then work out a plan to contain and dispose of it?  Would you carry a case of oil in the trunk so while driving you could stop every hour and top up the oil?  Or would you take it to a mechanic and fix the problem so the car stops leaking oil?

Please feel free to add any arguments or reasons you know of both for and against slaughter in the comments.  I will discuss them in the comments section, then possibly add them to the lists above.

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§ 36 Responses to Horse Slaughter… Why?

  • kyle says:

    I will start by saying I AM Pro slaughter. I have owned several hundred horses and when you said that the stoppage of slaughter did not affect the price of horses you really struck a nerve with me. 10 years ago if a horse was alive it was worth at least $500.00 at the slaughter house. So if a horse would ride the price would go up from there. Now if a horse isn’t kid safe it isn’t worth $15.00. I am shocked that people like your self who have watch the movie Flicka or drive by a few horses on your way home consider your selves experts on this. A 900lb animal should nerve cost less than a 50lb bag of dog food.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      I am shocked that people like your self (sic) … get so emotional out of the gate, and insult people with things like “watch the movie Flicka” or “drive by a few horses on your way home”. What makes you ASSume either of those things?
      I own horses. Maybe not hundreds, but definitely have been around horses and worked with them in several different industries for 38 years. I own and keep horses on my own property. I ride. I train. I rescue.
      So, before making comments that purport to have any clue whatsoever what my background, experience, or intelligence are, maybe you should start by asking questions, and keeping an open mind when reading other people’s writing. Spouting off emotionally makes people (a) ignore your comment (b) think you are of less than average intelligence and (c) not want to have any sort of discussion with you whatsoever.

      If you would like to comment on specific items from my blog, feel free to do so. If you don’t want to actually add to the conversation, maybe you should go elsewhere.

      However, I do have a question for you; if you’ve owned “several hundred” horses, can you say you did everything in your power to find those horses suitable homes when you were done with them? Or did you just drop them off at auction when they were no longer useful to you?

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      • Not A Breed says:

        You know, I had to come back and comment on this!
        I hate to admit it – I’ve never actually seen Flicka… so I’m downloading it now.
        BUT, I have seen Black Beauty and loved it. Oh, and Far Lap, and The Black Stallion… Of course I saw those all as a child!

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        • Suzanne Moore says:

          Actually, I have never seen Flicka either. I have seen Black Beauty – also read the book as a child. I read all the Black Stallion books as a child. Haven’t seen the movies though.

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      • Gabrielle Hartze says:

        I’ve own horses up to this day and support horse slaughter very much. I was born and raised a farm kid and love animals very much, but how I look at it is that an animal is an animal and should be treated with respect. Even though horses are looked at more as a pet I believe they can be labeled as food if someone wants to eat a horse. It’s kind of funny to me that everyone is sooo worried how horses are slaughtered when cattle go through even tougher slaughter situations, some of them can be gruel and ugly. Where is the advocates for that? With today’s economy where is a person to start when a horse is unwanted. One can try to sell with posters at sales barns, online, word of mouth or give them away but when nobody else wants you’re horse either then what? All of the horse rescue shelters are full and when you live more than 300 miles one way from one its very unlikely one would drive that far. Euthanizing is very expensive as well and when an owner can no longer afford to feed the horse it’s very unlikely as well that he/she is going to spend the money to put the horse down.
        As goes for the movies and books you read and seen as a child and even as an adult are nothing like the real world.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      I have to add here, just because two things happened in a relatively short time, does it automatically mean one happened because of the other?
      Are you trying to say that the closure of THREE horse slaughter plants in the United States affected the global price of horses? That’s a little farcical if you ask me.
      There are still slaughter plants in Canada. The price of horses have dropped the same as it has in the US. How do you equate that?
      Just as many horses are going from the States to Canada and Mexico to be slaughtered, so how did the closure affect the price of horses?

      You have all the answers, please inform me.

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      • Gary says:

        The closure in the States had nothing to do with the price of horse meat. What caused the price failure was what happened in Europe, when they found some off the sweedish meat balls had horse meat in them, again this was in Sweeden. Also in other spots of Europe it was found that horse meet was being used, this became an out cry by north american people who once again felt they should change the world.
        An old horse that is crippled and is in constant pain (that we have spent a lot of money on, putting up hay, oats, fixing fence, vet bills etc) should this horse continue to walk (if it can) around in pain, and what about when the weather turns cold and this horse can hardly move and is in more pain, is it right to let it suffer?
        I have in my 59 years have had several of these, that I loved but could no longer see them suffer, so did sell to meat plants, it was the way I was raised on the farm.
        To you that do love your horses enough to put their pain at an end I say “Thank You for carring” to you that let your horse suffer till it drops I say “may your suffering in old age be long and pain full so that you can feel what your horse felt in its last few years”
        Now I know that I have upset some people, but let me ask you this “in places in this world where beef, pork, chicken is so costly that it can only be a treet for the rich, do we let these poor other people go hungry? what is worse to let people starve to death or eat a horse?

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        • Not A Breed says:

          The closures in the states had nothing to do with the price. You’re correct. Where you’re wrong…well, that’s the entirety if the rest if your comment.

          They closed for TWO reasons.
          1). Overwhelmingly people are against the slaughter of horses
          2). Horse slaughter is inhumane

          Those are the two actual reason horse slaughter was shut down YEARS ago (long before this horse meat debacle in the UK).

          And buddy, why the HELL is it “slaughter or let them suffer/starve”???? Have you ever heard of euthanasia???
          Oh, right, but that would COST YOU MONEY.

          You know what? Try READING a few articles (that I’ve nicely categorized under the Horse Slaughter Articles just for ease of use) before you start blathering on. Your shit DOES stink and I WILL call you on it.

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          • Gary says:

            “WOW” did I hit a nerve with you have you ever owned a horse? and what part of my remark made you think my shit did not stink? And yes I have euthanased a horse or two and I have even been forced to put a 22 round in them because of stupid people, this was done to stop the pain and suffering they were in caused by people.
            My shit does stink like every one else and you can call me on it any time.
            Now I will call you on your anger/ hot head issues. it would suck to Be in a life with some one like you. dam city slicker

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            • Not A Breed says:

              Ya, I own horses and live in a farm. I have also lived in the city.
              Thanks for the assumptions. That’s one thing I find consistent with folks like you. You LOVE to assume things about me (never owned a horse, live in the city), and you obviously haven’t actually read very much of my blog.

              I asked you a bunch of questions. Why not actually answer them??

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              • Gary says:

                why not answer all your questions. thats simple you are one of these people who must controll all those around you and those you can not, in short a controll freak.
                If you and I were standing facing each other I would say one thing “YOU ARE A WASTE OF BREATH”.
                Now to realy upset you, I just got back for selling 2 stallions (old) to the meat plant would have liked more but took what I got.

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                • Not A Breed says:

                  Yeah. Ok. I need to control?
                  How’s this? I don’t need to answer to that. You don’t answer me – I don’t answer you.
                  And what you did to those two horses? That’s something you’ll have to live with. Has nothing to do with me.

                  Ok, actually, here’s controlling for you: you’re done. Any further comments you make will be deleted. Why? Because you’re an asshole who obviously enjoys slaughtering horses. So fuck you and get the fuck off my blog. How’s THAT for controlling?
                  Oh, right. No one will ever see your answer.
                  Too. Fucking. Bad.

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    • Brenda Lee says:

      Kyle, I’m surprised that a man that has owned 100 or more horses, wouldn’t know better, either? I too, have owned a 100 or more horses. Your point is?? And so what else you got?? I read, the complete letter. I thought it was very intelligent, articulate, very well thought out, not to mention very well informed. I’m guessing you might consider yourself a “Professional” since you have owned such a large number of horses. I’m also guessing that since you knew the price of horse meat, in an era that has gone by, that you use to dispose of your animals in that way. Back “Then” there was NO glutton market, or economical excuse to take your horses,to slaughter,other than for financial and laziness reasons. So why did you take YOURS to slaughter then? Doesn’t seem to bother you that ppl might be eating tainted meat, or that you caused a horse undo abuse and suffering?

      So, since she has already make a perfect gathering of the facts, and a NON emotional summary of this hideous “Sport” I would say your Character and what you are will to do for a dollar, says all that need be said about you. I rest my case… Oh by the way, I make my living with (not off) of Horses to, for over 30 yrs,and never once did I take a horse to slaughter, so I could get a return on my investment, didn’t have to, I’m good enough that I can actually sell them for a decent price. Get my drift Mr. Kyle??? Also, I’m no “Sissy” girl, that you guys like to use for your cause, (not that matters anyway) but I also, shoe horses,(yes I’m a Farrier!) I actually work, for a living as well. I don’t seem to have to supplement my income by slaughter horses…. Food for Thought!

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  • P T Mitchell says:

    I use to run Alberta’s largest Equine Rescue called The Mitchell Centre for Equine Rescue and Education.I say use to as we close it in 2009. I guess part of the reason was because of some of your subject matter.Trying to get pro slaughter and activists welfare groups to actually try to work together to solve the problems in the world of the horse to-day, was impossible. It was if you will excuse the pun,”like flogging a dead horse”! To many human ego’s got in the way of commonsense solutions.Over our 10 years of rescue we saved over 1700 horses directly out of feeder or as you might call them meat pens. I’ve asked many the same questions you have, over the last 40 years that I’ve been a professional horseman. And only one real answer ever came back. Horses go to slaughter because their owners or people responsible for their care send them. So what needs to be done to fix the problems in the Horse Industry of today, it’s very simple.. The so called horse industry needs to be a “Real Industry ” with standards, rules, regulation and accountability..Won’t happen in my life time because it involves the biggest problem of all to solve it.. “People”

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Thanks for your comment PT. Although I knew it, it’s still sad to know that this debate has been going on as long as it has. I sincerely hope that you haven’t given up entirely on the issue, even if the rescue closed down. I know it seems overwhelming, but I really do hope that by continuing the discussion we can see some changes.

      Knowledge is power. I believe many people were fooled (by others and sometimes by themselves) that their horse would find a good, loving home through auction – and that is why they were left there. I also believe many people get into situations where they can’t keep the horse, but they wait too long to come to the realization and don’t leave themselves enough time to find a new home. Then they’re stuck going to auction, and they hope for the best. There are a lot of reasons horses end up at slaughter – and not all of them are due to industries such as racing and breeding.

      And I’d like to agree with the last word of your comment; “people”, but believe it should be changed to “greedy people”.

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  • Not A Breed says:

    There seems to be some confusion specifically regarding a line in my post about North Americans not eating horse meat.

    If you read the entire post, you will note that at the beginning I explain that I “see” arguments all over the internet both for and against slaughter, and many are emotional arguments. Arguments differ from reasons, so I separated them out. I listed common arguments I’d seen, and one of these arguments (under “Common Arguments Anti-Slaughter”) was that North Americans don’t eat horse meat.

    I then added the line “(Edit in: there are small pockets of people who do eat horse meat in North America, but it accounts for less than 2-3% of the market – should we allow a maximum of 3% of the population to dictate the slaughter of horses for human consumption?)” thus debunking that particular argument – or at least correcting it.

    Yes, there are restaurants that serve horse meat in North America. Those restaurants typically are very expensive, and/or cater to specific nationalities whose originating countries do eat horse meat. These restaurants are few and far between, and account for a very small percentage of establishments serving food.

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    • Gary says:

      You have said that North Americans may not eat horse meat.
      My father was living in a seniors home in Moose Jaw Sask this home was owned by an Americans company, in the last 2 years of living their they feed him and the others living their horse meat at least 3 times a week.
      My father was 90 when he moved on to the unknown, well he lived at this home I would say in the last 6 months of living their I would go down and see him, I have takin a meal their only to descover on the first bite that I was now eating a horse that I may have cared for and loved, the meat was dry and the testure was much different than beef, and as a young boy we were forced to eat a horse because of cost of beef, it has never been a fact that I’m proud off.
      Did this or would this stop me from taking a horse to slaughter? NO it has not
      My father passed away in my home, his last year was filled with A LOT OF PAIN due to the cancer.
      All I can say about that is ” I am glad that his pain is over” as I would see the pain in a horse end as well. Yea I still love him and miss him, as I have some of the horses in my past and more than likely will continue to do so, right now I have a black mare that over the years has given many a good colt, and she has been and still is great with children, but at age 22 come May, she is showing the signs, and yes it will hurt as I have had her since she was born, but I will still send her to slaughter

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      • Not A Breed says:

        Gary, you make absolutely NO sense.
        Your father was in a home (owned by Americans no less) being fed horse meat (I call bullshit BTW) yet he died in YOUR home?
        And again, there are NOT just two choices (slow agonizing death vs slaughter)!
        Let me ask you this: if your father had the choice, would he have maybe preferred to just go to sleep and not wake up?
        BUT; given the choice to die the way he did or be SLAUGHTERED, which do you think he’d have chosen?

        And before all you assholes jump on me for asking those questions, Gary is the one who brought it up in comparison.

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        • Gary says:

          before you call bull I would do a search on how many senior homes in canada are owned by a yank,you can start with the one in Moose Jaw, Sask, and yes I did leave a lot out, like I went back and forth before my father decided to move in with me.
          As for his suffering it was not a choice he had, cancer took him and in the short time that he stayed with me he did ask for me to put him out of his pain and suffering more times than I care to count.
          As for the horse meat, why do you think the place is now almost vacant?
          And thank you for opening old wounds, it means a lot to me

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          • Not A Breed says:

            So, he asked you to put him out of his misery… but he didn’t ask you to slaughter him? Hmmm
            And dude, YOU brought your dad into it and used him as an example. I just continued it. Glad you missed the point though.

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  • Chris says:

    Another one I hear regularly is we can’t tell other people what to eat. My response (as I’m Canadian) is I’m not telling other people what to eat. I’m saying I want to stop the slaughter of Canadian (& US) horses, on Canadian soil, subsidized with Canadian tax dollars to send to wealthy foreign countries, who eat horsemeat as part of their culture. If they want to eat horses they can slaughter their own horses, on their own soil, subsidized with their own tax dollars.

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  • Trish Lee says:

    1) I’d rather see a horse go to slaughter than starve to death.

    2) I’d rather see a horse that’s lame and un-useful go to slaughter then be neglected and in constant pain.

    3) I’d rather see a horse go to slaughter that is NOT SAFE. Some horses have some wires crossed in their brains and are DANGEROUS. In breeding or whatever. These horses are not worth getting someone hurt or killed over.

    4) Poor breeding, something is going to get culled. I’m Sorry, but un-attactive horses get culled too.

    5) Society: Is Sad in a lot of areas.
    a) children killed before and after birth. Partial Birth Abortion. Children neglected, poor foster homes.

    b) Pets, dogs, cats, etc. Get put to sleep in animal shelters every day. People don’t want them, can’t keep them, don’t want to pay for their needs.

    c) horses are just another deal where people want good looking horses, young horses, baby horses. So the un-wanted go to Slaughter (Animal control, Humane Society).

    Responsibility: People that can’t afford their animals/ should not get them in the first place, or find a good home for them. Otherwise, the animal is going to get put to death.

    Animal Control, Humane Society, Slaughter Houses (Their all the same).

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    • Not A Breed says:

      1) I’d rather see a horse be euthanized than starve to death.

      2) I’d rather see a horse that’s lame and un-useful be euthanized then be neglected and in constant pain.

      3) I’d rather see a horse be euthanized that is NOT SAFE. Some horses have some wires crossed in their brains and are DANGEROUS. In breeding or whatever. These horses are not worth getting someone hurt or killed over.

      4) Poor breeding, something is going to get culled. I’m Sorry, but un-attactive horses get culled too.
      Without even trying to find them a home first? Where is the responsibility in that? And if they can’t find a good home, euthanize the horse, because without a good home then the horse should be euthanized! FOR EXAMPLE: The Canadian RCMP has a breeding program. One of the requirements of their horses is that they be a certain colour. They don’t “cull” the wrong colored horses and bring them to slaughter. They are SOLD. Those horses are of excellent breeding, and are in high demand. They sell for good money. That money is then rolled back into their breeding program. THAT is a reputable breeding program!

      5) Society: Is Sad in a lot of areas.
      a) children killed before and after birth. Partial Birth Abortion. Children neglected, poor foster homes.
      There are many, many things in the world that are sad. Just because I choose to talk about this one here, does not mean I don’t care about the other issues. It does not mean I don’t try to do what I can for those other issues. It’s an easy argument to throw that around. And one I see often (ie “I can’t believe this bothers you so much when there are children DYING in…”)

      b) Pets, dogs, cats, etc. Get put to sleep in animal shelters every day. People don’t want them, can’t keep them, don’t want to pay for their needs.
      Exactly my point… why have we become a throwaway society that apparently has no responsibility for the lives WE created (breeding)? Responsibility people!

      c) horses are just another deal where people want good looking horses, young horses, baby horses. So the un-wanted go to Slaughter (Animal control, Humane Society).
      I’ll just copy and paste my argument from above, since this is the SAME argument again: Exactly my point… why have we become a throwaway society that apparently has no responsibility for the lives WE created (breeding)? Responsibility people!

      Responsibility: People that can’t afford their animals/ should not get them in the first place, or find a good home for them. Otherwise, the animal is going to get put to death.
      That’s a little shady, the way you word that, don’t you think? “put to death”?

      Animal Control, Humane Society, Slaughter Houses (Their all the same).
      I absolutely, emphatically, disagree with this statement. Animal Control and the Humane Society are supposed to at least TRY to protect animals. Slaughter houses are not trying to PROTECT animals at all. That is truly the stupidest thing I think I’ve seen written in all the years I’ve been reading about horse slaughter. Sorry, no offense, but really???

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    • Brenda Lee says:

      Trish Lee, you obviously didn’t read the letter to closely. You have obviously haven’t watched any, Slaughter or BLM video? Nor, have you read any articles other than what supports Slaughter. The average horses age, is 7 yrs. old. They are documented to be very healthy, sound and usable. No,I’m not going to sit here and link you up with this or that. You can do your own homework, and research if you are truly looking for the Truth. That’s the only way you will believe it anyway, is if you do your own work. I too, USE to be Pro-Slaughter, and I bought into all propaganda and arguments that you have presented in your post. I found out, by doing my OWN research that it was all a pack of lies. Ask yourself if you care, “Who is benefiting from these lies?”

      I’ve been a professional horse person, for over 30 ys, and not once have I had to sell a horse into slaughter, to make my money back. I do a goood, enough job, so that I can sell them for a profit, or at least break even. Slaughter, is nothing more than an easy out, for a problem that is self created by the very ppl, that support slaughter….

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    • Sophie says:

      sorry but a horse that is not safe…you can work with it, train it, i have. I re-trained an ex-showjumper who was sold to a novice, taken out on a hack alone, and bombed off eventually ending up galloping into a tree (an ‘expert’ they got out for him then also rode him into a tree). It took a while, he’s still not perfectly safe, he cant be taken on hacks for obvious reasons but he’s ride-able.
      Second case of re-training. Not such an extreme case but… there is a pony at our yard called Blondie (I loan her now) she used to bomb off, buck(i don’t just mean she lifted up a back foot i mean full on leaping in the air),rear on occasions, dive and spook at just about anything. I started working with her April last year, got thrown off ALLOT, bombed off with constantly, she spooked at every corner (red handbags are apparently scary). Now, she is perfect in the arena and makes a very nice shape if you work her right, she is incredibly responsive, will jump happily over 3ft (wouldn’t go over a jump 6” high without going mental before), I can ride and jump in fields no problem, I take her up the local bridal path, and big field, I can ride her on the road (including over a motorway bridge) and i’m planning to take her out cross country and on sponsored rides once i sort out my insurance. Nowadays everyone wants to ride her, even the little kids. She has her moments, and quirks, but isn’t that what makes riding fun? Dealing with that?

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  • Suzanne Moore says:

    Excellent post!! Especially liked the “Why” part. You’ll get heated denials, but the facts speak for themselves. There just isn’t any other reason except $$$. Period. And, I guess these folks don’t lose any sleep about how their tainted meat might affect the people who eat it. Imagine how THEY would feel if they found out the EU was selling toxic meat to US! Oh my!

    The only thing you didn’t touch on in your anti-reasons was horse theft. This one is near and dear to my heart because of my personal experiences when I lived in Dallas with Beltex on one side and Dallas Crown on the other. It truly was a nightmare, and anyone who hasn’t been through it doesn’t have a clue. We were even terrified to SELL a horse because kill buyers would go to great lengths to convince a seller that they wanted to give the horse a good home – even to bringing children along as the person they wanted the horse for. Anyone who cared what happened to their horses would never sell them at auction, EVER. As I said, nightmare.

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  • Suzanne Moore says:

    There is still something I don’t understand – well, there are many things about this issue I don’t understand but this one especially bugs me – and that is WHY are the cattlemen such rabid pro-slaughter advocates.

    The Cattleman’s Associations are pro-slaughter and spend very big bucks to lobby for it in DC. Why? Surely they can’t believe that old saw about the “slippery slope,” can they? I can’t believe they would spend so much money for such a thin reason. But, if that’s not the reason, what the heck is?

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    • Not A Breed says:

      I actually DO believe it’s the “slippery slope” argument. If all the “bleeding heart animal rights activists” manage to get horse slaughter banned for “activist reasons” (Like that’s actually happened! So far, every horse slaughter house has been closed due to environmental reasons (Canada), or lack of funding for inspectors [US]) then that means cattle are next… right???
      Retards.
      Anyway, yes, I do believe that is the EXACT reason they are so pro-slaughter for horses.

      And just think of their “arguments”… ‘you eat beef… what’s the difference?’
      Etc. Etc. Etc.

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      • Man, that IS sad, to be THAT dumb. If they only knew. I’ve been in this for over 30 years, and if PETA has EVER been involved in any way, I don’t know about it. The HSUS hasn’t done much either.

        These sad sacks are to blind to notice how many states have already passed laws changing “ownership” to “guardianship” while they’re worrying about the slaughter of a non-food animal.

        I KNEW they were idiots, but geez, no one should be THAT..ummm… brain cell challenged.

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