A Horse Named Doc

March 11, 2011 § 24 Comments

So, I have to say this story really gets my blood boiling.

Look at that sweet face.

Here’s the quick version:

A girl gets a horse and names it Doc.  The girl, code named cherrybabe (real name ERIN NEWGARD from Maple Valley, Washington), is a young girl, and the horse is a young/old/senior OTTB gelding who while low on the totem pole with the other horses, tries to show his dominance with the girl.  She’s afraid of him and sends him off to an inexperienced trainer girl (code named karebear123, who is actually “K and L Training” or Kari Phinney Legros from Enumclaw, WA who is a whopping 26 years old – so, you know, SO much more mature than her 17 year old client) who has him at a boarders.  The BO has an issue with karebear123 so karebear123 moves HER horse(s) to another barn and cherrybabe gets stuck taking her horse back home.  Of course, the horse has been with the trainer for six months, so changing Docs home, treatment, herd, etc. is probably going to play a role here.

Anyway, cherrybabe has the horse with her at home now, and is still afraid of it, so decides to “sell” the horse.

This is her original description (with the heading “Doc TB/ cross ~8 years old 16.3 for sale or lease“:

hello ladies and gents.,

Doc is up for sale or lease. He is a beautiful chestnut that we got about three and a half years ago. He has a trot to die for and a sweet wanting to please personality.
He is in training with karebear and has 90 plus days professional training under his belt. he’s doing very well. and is so different from when he first went to training. He shows great potential in dressage and flat huntseat.

He is very smart and needs to think, so doing something mindless just doesn’t work…

He does great at shows too. I took him into halter and showmanship at the SAFE show two years ago and he was great. completely calm, and got four out of a class of over twenty and got kicked too in the class.

Doesn’t sound too bad, huh?

Lets see, did she tell us how old the horse is?  Yes, he’s eight years old (not).  Did she talk about any health issues?  No.  Did she indicate she was afraid of the horse, or that he showed any signs of aggression towards her?  No.

AND, apparently during the time she was trying to sell the horse, she was also looking to buy or lease another horse.

Did I mention this is all documented on a horse board that is set up essentially to SAVE horses from the auction houses that are at risk to go to slaughter?  And that apparently cherrybabe has been a member there for quite some time?  No?  Oh, sorry… because that information plays directly into what happens next.

Suddenly, karebare123 (the “trainer”) weighs in with her “assessment” of the horse.

With regular workout sessions he will be just fine. He has it in his head that things have to be set in a pattern. He like s a routine and anytime you give him multiple days off in a row. He will have an episode of like we start back at the beginning. Basically he has the mind of a two year old in an 8 year olds body. He is willing but incredibly stubborn. Before this horse left the old barn where I was training at. He was walking, trotting, and starting to canter under saddle. He came to me as a horse that was dangerous and would strike and charge you when given the chance. He was taught this through fear and has been allowed to get away with it. He does bathe, clipping he is unsure but will do it with patience, hauling he is great once in the trailer. He will try to test you to see if you know what you are doing, he has never offered to kick or bite but he has and will rear in the long lines on those days that its like starting over or when learning a new thing. He is a challange but he will be absolutely the best horse ever once gotton through. I have seen it and been there. When he came back, we went back to square one in review and groundwork sessions. He is a very good boy and wants to please but he was abused in his past from what I have been told. It takes him about three months to settle in a new place and then you see a ton of results. Doc would have stayed with me permanatly and would have been way farther by now had he stayed and not gone home. He reverted back to his old self. He lunges now and loves daily attention. Honestly I would bond with him and do some groundwork sessions before you ride him. Only to create that bond that this horse really needs. He relies on that one on one attention.

He is about 16 hands not 16.3. He came to me on the thinner side and we have been pooring the feed to him, He worms as well but you have to put a lead rope around his muzzle and do it in a stall and he is fine. He used to strike so thats an improvement.

he long lines with his head bitted and will walk, trot, and canter both directions. I have ridden him bareback, and with a western saddle both posting and sitting at the trot and he is fine. This was two months ago mind you. so he will need a refresher. We have had our share of wet t shirt days, but then there have been the days where I have seen that all important leap forward in progress.
He has never tried to hurt me but I have taken this whole process very slow as to ensure that he truely understands what I have asked of him. He is a completely different horse because of it.

He is sound and can be worked with his airway issue. I have advised that a vet check it out and rate it on their scale. It could be as simple as a nasal blockage or it could be an actual broken wind issue. I find it hard to believe that his wind is completely broken when he can and will canter and gallop when the pressure is applied in learning a new thing. He has been seen by a chiropractor, and needs his teeth floated.

Please let me know if there is anything else that I may be of help to you on. This horse is a completely different horse than when he first came to me and he still has his spirit. He really needs someone that will help him have a job.

So, what I read here is that (a) he’s immature (b) he’s eight years old… and read on…

Karebear123 says “he has the mind of a two year old in an 8 year olds body” suggesting the horse is eight years old….

incredibly stubborn

came to me as a horse that was dangerous and would strike and charge you when given the chance

he has and will rear in the long lines

He is a challange (sic)”

reverted back to his old self

He is about 16 hands not 16.3. He came to me on the thinner side and we have been pooring the feed to him, He worms as well but you have to put a lead rope around his muzzle and do it in a stall and he is fine. He used to strike so thats an improvement.”  (OMG, I have to say, ok, they don’t know how to measure a horses’ height, they weren’t feeding him enough, he is difficult to deworm, and he used to strike… WTF?  So how does that factor into the statement “reverted back to his old self”??  He’s now kicking, and has grown to 16.3 hands??)

And now we’re learning he has an “airway issue”??  And of course his teeth haven’t been taken care of either.

There is debate as to the actual age of the horse, he’s 8 years old, he’s 17 years old, he’s in his twenties…

Yet, no one seems to call cherrybabe out of her complete neglect of the horse… ok, I can understand to a degree, considering what happened next.

Yep, You Guessed it… the Kill Pen

Since cherrybabe couldn’t sell the horse in the few weeks she gave an effort, she sent him to auction.  Without a reserve.  AND the horse was lame.  She says it was fine when she sent it off, but apparently the auctioneer had to stop and ask the rider to dismount as the horse could barely walk!  Yeah… ok.

Someone assessed him in the kill pen, to try to get him saved… on the same fucking board the idiot girl cherrybabe is a member of… can you wrap your head around that? Cherrybabe is a member of a board that saves horses from the kill pen, yet she sent her horse to auction… ???  That’s a total WTF moment if you ask me.

Here is the assessment:

The worst leg is his right hind. His suspensory ligament is large and hard, with soft swelling as well. It did not seem warm but was definitely sore to the touch and he did not want to put weight on that leg. He did allow me to prod it and didn’t do anything worse than pull it away from me.

His left hind has a large scar on the canon bone, but it is old and not tender. I wouldn’t expect that to give him any trouble.

His left front has calcification on the inside of the canon bone, most likely from a splint injury in the past. They usually do not cause problems as long as the calcification doesn’t interfere with the tendon, but I can’t guarantee that.

Hmmm, that is not sounding like a completely sound horse, approximately 8 years old…  Oh, and he’s a cribber too.  Nice of cherrybabe to put that in her ad.

You know, I can’t even go on with this post.  Suffice it to say the little brat cherrybabe chucked her horse aside like so much garbage while knowing full well what sending him to auction with no reserve meant.  She’s now pouting that people are being “mean” to her, and that she tried everything… all the while there is an uproar on said board requesting cherrybabe be banned permanently from the board.  I agree.  She should be banned.  She should also be banned from owning a horse or any other animal, or from even being AROUND animals, for the next five years!

Bottom line here, is that a bunch of people had to donate money so this horse could be rescued from the KILL PEN and he’s going into foster for a while.  Of course, that means cherrybabe is completely off the hook, and hasn’t learned a single fucking thing.  That was her plan all along.


It looks as though both cherrybabe and karebear123 have been banned from the aforementioned board.  It’s about TIME.  Not only were they both deserving of being banned just for the fact the horse ended up in the kill pen…  cherrybabe LIED about that horse from the get-go.  Buh bye asswipes.

Sadly, it has been noted that Doc is being kept outside.  He’s underweight and it’s fairly chilly where he is… not to mention he looks WET.  Everyone knows if a horse isn’t in proper weight, they start to shiver in the chill, which burns off even more weight fast.  Thankfully he’s being picked up within the next day or two.  By nice people.  Adults.  Who care.

Current photos:

Poor guy is all wet and out in the cold...

Look at those ribs! Feed him much Erin???

You know, Erin and Kari… you two brats ought to grow up, and really take a good hard look at what you’ve done – AND how other people had to bail you out.

I’d like to throttle you BOTH.  Fuck.


§ 24 Responses to A Horse Named Doc

  • susan says:

    i know the owner of that horse and he looks that age he goes threw 3 bags of grain in 2 weeks nd if you dont think erin is grown up then think again she is the most mature girl i have ever known so buz off and think of what your doing to her and when she sold him he was as fat as my horse tina who looks pregnat


  • susan says:

    oh and he was not lam when she droped him off and he was in a full care center so think before you make websites


  • Not A Breed says:

    Kari said it herself that Doc “went home”. She also noted that he had an “airway issue” which Erin of course never mentions. Kari also said he was too thin.

    And then you look at the photos… Susan, photos don’t lie. He was too thin when dropped at the kill pen. And if a horse is already underweight, and then goes through an extremely stressful situation… what do you think happens? He’s going to gain weight?? Of course not!!

    I think the lot of you need to grow up, and I especially think you need to take responsibility for the animals you have in your lives. Because you know what Susan? Overweight is not healthy either.


  • Beth Schang says:

    Classic example of our “throw-away” mentality and “instant gratification” culture – horses take and deserve time – especially when it comes to rehoming them !! How completely lazy, selfish and cold-hearted to give only a few weeks to the effort and then send him off like so much trash to the KB !! HEARTLESS – SELFISH – CRUEL !!! If there is a personality or experience level mis-match, that’s ok, but a horse lover takes the time it takes to re-home the horse whether it takes a few weeks or until it’s rightly done !!
    I’d like the name of the horse saving board and the adults-angels who stepped up to the plate and saved Doc – I’d like to thank them.


    • 由美絵 says:

      Clearly from what not a breed said she was afraid of him and couldn’t handle him, plus she’s young. So I think that qualifies as experience level mismatch if you ask me. And if she’s afraid of him, that could be hinting at the sign that maybe there was more behind her reasons of being scared and therefore a personality mismatch? According to what you said if this is true then what she did is justified, yes? So then don’t go and judge that girl because for all any of us know that may be the case. However I could be wrong too, but seeing as I don’t know the whole situation I’m not going to go and trash talk her.


  • Not A Breed says:

    All of this went down on auctionhorses.net.
    The thread has since been removed unfortunately. I should have taken screen shots… but it was quite a few pages long. No big surprise there.


  • 由美絵 says:

    Wow….You know just from a non biased standpoint I would have to say that you mr/ms NOTABREED sound like a super hypercritical douche(just saying) because all I see is a bunch of info that you “heard” or “read” from somewhere else, but do you actually know them?? And I mean not just over the internet but really know them??? For all you know there could be other circumstances that cause things to be as they are and you won’t know about it because when people get angered they usually don’t care to find out. People just like to blame someone. Oh and I did happen to notice, I hope you know that you are putting illegal content on the internet seeing as you posted a “MINORS” age, name, and virtually her address online without her permission (I’m going to assume it wasn’t willing seeing as no one would give someone else the right to trash them on the internet, and I doubt you know the person just by the way you talk about her doesn’t seem like you personally know the girl AND if you met her from a online site it wouldn’t have her address in it) Also the person susan who was talking before, if she actually KNEW the horse, I think she has a little more right than you to determine the condition of that horse more than you do. Seeing as you’ve only viewed photos (and if you haven’t noticed it’s REALLY easy for photos to be misleading) angles, lighting, weather and what the horse is doing at the moment can all affect how they appear. Have did you go see that horse at all before it was auctioned? How do you know that they weren’t telling the truth? All the info and reports you shared from the best of my recollection are from the moment he was ALREADY AT THE AUCTION. And another thing, I’m not gonna justify lying at all, true she shouldn’t have lied but the hard truth is when selling horses or other animals, or anything in general EVERYONE LIES even if just a little, once again not saying that this is right, but just that it happens so why aren’t you writing articles about everyone selling an animal. Besides afterward the trainer did come forward and give more viable information afterwards so in the end they did inform people. And as for the other acclaimed things that you say they “forgot to mention” well did you ever stop to consider that maybe it’s not that they “forgot to mention” but maybe that they didn’t know? And age can be mistaken, I work in a Veteranarian clinic (not a vet just to be clear, just an assistant) and I can assure you that when abandoned animals come in we don’t know their age but we use physical conditions/growth ect to determine their age, however this isn’t 100% accturate by any means and can be affected by environment, food quality, and other circumstances. And as for calling them out on their ages and being “too Young” to own /train horses…..have you ever been to a horse show??? There are LOTS of people her age and younger who own/ care for their own horses, this is VERY common and yes being young she is going to make mistakes. I don’t know how old you are, but as an “older” person shouldn’t you be setting a better example? Your whole response to this issue seems highly immature, even your language! “I’d like to throttle you BOTH. Fuck.”-NOTABREED so now you’re are making threats of physical violence. So I guess now everytime a child makes a mistake we should go strangle them? Sound like a smart idea NOTABREED, it’s good to know we have such empathetic and intelligent elders to look out for our younger generations. I really feel bad for that horse because what happened to him is unfortunate, but I’m not gonna judge the girl cause I’m not personally involved and I don’t know the full story. I pity the girl.


  • 由美絵 says:

    oh I forgot to mention this, but I did notice one thing. “(OMG, I have to say, ok, they don’t know how to measure a horses’ height, they weren’t feeding him enough, he is difficult to deworm, and he used to strike… WTF? So how does that factor into the statement “reverted back to his old self”?? He’s now kicking, and has grown to 16.3 hands??)”-NOTABREED umm….did have trouble reading the trainers statement? Here let me show you “When he came back, we went back to square one in review and groundwork sessions. He is a very good boy and wants to please but he was abused in his past from what I have been told. It takes him about three months to settle in a new place and then you see a ton of results. Doc would have stayed with me permanatly and would have been way farther by now had he stayed and not gone home. He reverted back to his old self.” Clearly if you had read this properly you would have noticed that the trainer was referring to him reverting back to his old self in the fact of BASIC SKILLS and MANNERS, GROUNDWORK, basically his behavior NOT his height, sorry, but are you stupid?


    • Not A Breed says:

      The bottom line here, is that both these girls were members of a board. A board dedicated to removing horses from the kill pen. A board dedicated to saving horses bound for slaughter.

      Then the girls horse, after only a few weeks and a few ads, ends up in the kill pen. Do you not see the ignorance? The fact that they both know what happens to horses at these auctions, yet the horse was sent there anyway… is just astounding.

      Add to that the fact she was simultaneously searching for a new horse. So it’s not like she couldn’t afford to take care of this horse while waiting to sell it.

      They admit he is a horse who likes “routine”, yet shuffle him back and forth, and then to the kill pen. Nice.

      The TRAINER admits the horse was underweight when she got him. This directly says the owner was NOT feeding him properly.

      The trainer very specifically says he went home and “reverted back to his old self”. Which, considering her statement “came to me as a horse that was dangerous and would strike and charge you when given the chance“ MEANS he started biting and kicking again. I am not stupid, and I CAN READ. Which, BTW, there are no direct attacks allowed, so that is your ONE warning.
      Plus, you may want to look up the meaning of the word “sarcasm” – if you read the line that he grew back to 16.3hh you might have picked up on it.


      • rustydusty says:

        I’ve been reading this story for a while, and it’s interesting to see the different points of views on this subject, but NOT A BREED, you did personally attack this girl, Erin. And way back when when it was on the auction site, she said that she felt personally attacked and everyone just laughed at her. What if she has seen this? What if she’s afraid that because you found out her name and age, and address, that you have found her number, or given out her address and phone number? wouldn’t you be scared of that? having people that are extremely angry at you know where you live and your phone number? Don’t you think you’re going to far by putting that kind of stuff, her full name, her city, and age (which is illegal because she’s a minor and you putting it there know all well she is such) on the internet where everyone can see it and it’ll never go away?


        • Not A Breed says:

          I “personally” gave my opinions on what went down. I don’t care if she feels “personally attacked”. The crap they put that horse through is inexcusable. I didn’t “find out” peoples names and addresses. It’s not like I hired a private detective or something. They listed their information in several places. Anyone could find it through Google. I didn’t post her phone number or address. And I certainly wouldn’t give it out if I had it. If anyone wants to find her, all they have to do is Google.

          As for putting it on the internet where everyone can see it and it’ll never go away… that is the point. I hope if she goes to buy a horse from someone, they’ll do a quick Google search on her name, and see that she is NOT someone they should sell a horse to. If I were selling MY horse, it’s what I would do. And I’d be glad to have found this!


          • rustydusty says:

            So it is okay to attack her, all the time. With no remorse. But not okay to attack you once? I see no logic in that at all. No one bit. And besides, she’s a MINOR she might not have the final say. It might have been her parents took him with out her permission because she couldn’t handle him. And she’s just taking all the bullets to keep her family out of it. And trainers work for the horse’s owner. They have no final say in anything that goes down with the horse itself. Only the owner. Did you ever think of this while sitting on your butt typing this? Just blaming the easiest target, that’s all you’re doing. No one tried to help her find a home when she put him up for sale on the auction board, no one asked her why she did it, no one listened when she tried to explain it, nothing. I do NOT think what she did was right, not at all, but what you’re going is terrible. I bet if you saw her in person, when she has saying good-bye or when her horse life was crashing around her, you wouldn’t say these things to her. You’d just sit there and watch then high-tail it home and scream about it on you’re computer.


            • Not A Breed says:

              This is my house. I make the rules. And the rules are no direct attacks. That includes me. If you don’t like it, you can leave. It’s as simple as that. Just like anyone else’s house.

              As for the possibility that she wasn’t the one who made that decision, I highly doubt that. She strikes me as the kind of girl who would immediately place the blame elsewhere if possible. Actually, it surprises me that she didn’t blame mommy and daddy… I guess the thought never occurred to her. I also never said the trainer had any decision making capabilities. It wasn’t her fault that the horse went to the kill pen. But the trainer didn’t seem to point out to anyone that the situation was obviously exacerbated by a lack of skill, competency and/or strength of character in the owner – in that she couldn’t manage and was afraid of her horse. The horse knew this, and was acting out.

              I’m not blaming “the easiest target”. I’m blaming the owner of the horse. The owner who, again, dropped her horse in the kill pen. Dropped him off lame. Dropped him off skinny. Wow. What part of this don’t you get?

              “No one tried to help her find a home when she put him up for sale on the auction board…” Um, why is it THEIR job to help her? It’s NOT. There are so many horses out there that need to be saved – her horse was sitting in a home! It was HER job to find the horse a new home. Wow. This is exactly the problem. No one puts responsibility where responsibility should be placed. On the owner. It was her responsibility to place ads in more than two or three places. It was her responsibility to give the horse longer than a couple of weeks to sell (maybe if she wasn’t so busy looking for another horse…). It was her responsibility to be honest in the ad, and price the horse reasonably for the market. It was her responsibility to try to contact legitimate rescues if she couldn’t find a home after all that. And it was her responsibility to ensure that horse was not going to suffer in the end. Her, her, her. Not them. Not mom and dad. She is the one who understood what those horses go though. Not her parents. She is the one who had the horse, rode it, worked with it, showed it for christ sake!

              But you can get angry at me. That’s fine. You think I don’t have a nice bone in my body. That’s fine. I started this blog to show (a) how writing an effective ad, and showcasing your horse in the best light possible (without lying), (b) taking responsibility for the life of any animal you create or bring into your life and (c) ensuring each of those animals has the best life possible – is the only way to go.
              I have showcased shitty ads and great ads. I’ve showcased shitty owners and shitty rescues. Your friend just happens to fall into the shitty owner category. Sorry.


  • Not A Breed says:

    I think what I love the most about this blog is when friends and family of the nitwits who pull stunts like this come out to defend their friend/family member.
    Half of the people commenting are of obvious immaturity, and have grown up texting since they can’t seem to write a full sentence.

    Please people… think about what I’ve said:

    The owner was a member of a board for some time… that board rescues horses from the kill pen.

    The girls horse goes to the kill pen.

    She obviously could afford to keep him until he sold, since she was looking for another horse at the same time.

    She dropped him off skinny AND LAME.

    She made only halfhearted attempts to actually find him a new home.

    Other people, strangers, had to step in with their OWN hard-earned money to rescue HER horse from the kill pen.


    So, if you still want to defend her, go ahead. But I’m sick of trying to read all the slang, misspelled words, and poor grammar – please try to write properly. Oh, and there is something called a “hard return”. If you don’t know what it is, look it up and implement it please. So far only ONE person commenting knows about it apparently.


  • rustydusty says:

    I’m sorry to tell you this. But not everyone shares your views on the subject. They don’t have to know the girl to know what you are doing is a terrible thing to do. I live in eastern Washington and used to be on the auction site but deleted my account.

    And I’m not defending taking the horse to the auction I’m defending the girl. Who is being threatened continuously, and being black-listed. If I remember correctly, she has another horse, who came to her skinny underweight, and she has trained that horse and gotten her up to weight. So her turning around and doing something this terrible to another horse doesn’t make sense.


    • Not A Breed says:

      I don’t care if everyone shares my views on the subject. Lots of people do. Lots of people don’t. I don’t write to ‘please the masses’. Duuh. Why should I? This is my blog. It’s my place to say how I feel about things. I also offer advice. Lots of people think it’s good advice. Lots of people would disagree.
      I haven’t threatened your friend. I haven’t done anything but quote her and the trainer. I also added my opinion. If she’s getting blacklisted, doesn’t that indicate to you that a whole lotta people out there actually do agree with me? Just because they’re chatting about it on boards (which are also easy to find and read – duuh) and I chose to chat about it here… how is that different? Rusty, it’s time to move on.


  • Not A Breed says:

    Ok kids… here is my latest article where I lambaste the owner of a horse:

    Read the comments on the article. You don’t see a bunch of kids coming on and whining and complaining that I posted HIS name AND PHONE NUMBER. Why? Oh, because he’s “older”? Come ON. Erin is OLD ENOUGH. She also was a member of a board where she KNEW what happens to horses who end up in the kill pen.

    Get over it. She was ignorant in what she did, and I didn’t treat her any differently than anyone else I write about.


  • Paige says:

    I actually was at the place he was boarded at. And he was fed a lot of food. 5 flakes plus a grain bucket morning and night. He wasn’t fat, but not thin. I watched Erin work with Doc once and I was afraid just watching, he was doing everything he could to shake her up, Bucking, rearing lounging towards her, striking at her, and she was only doing ground work.
    I talked to her after and she said that she had to pay for board all herself, and that she wanted to keep working with him and if he didn’t sell, hopefully get him to the point where she could ride him. She loved that horse, even when he was acting up.
    After she took him and all this started she still came and rode her trainer’s horse for lessons but never stuck around, she was so afraid of what people would do to her, or talk about her. I overheard her talking to Kari once and she said she wanted to bail him out but her mom said she couldn’t.
    I doubt you’ll take this to heart, but I’m telling the truth. He wasn’t under fed and if he was, it wasn’t her fault because it was a full care facility. And I didn’t say anything earlier because I didn’t want to get envolved but i saw her a few days ago at a prize ride and I was wondering and then I found this, so I decided to say something.


    • Not A Breed says:

      Thank you for your comment Paige. I do have to say that while you are basically absolving Erin from all responsibility, you need to realize something… Doc was her horse, and ultimately she is responsible for his care. If the full-care facility wasn’t feeding him properly, it was her responsibility to ensure he got enough food, or move him somewhere where he would get enough food. It’s my understanding that she took him home… so she was the one feeding him in the end. Also, no matter what, no matter how bad a horse behaves… there is always euthanasia. Bottom line. That horse shouldn’t have ended up in the kill pen, especially since she knows what happens to horses at slaughter.

      I appreciate the fact that you were factual and not overly emotional. Thanks again for your comment.


  • Amelia dillingham says:

    I’m his owner now he is in perfect health.He is an amazing horse these photos are from a long time ago.All these nasty comments are unessasary.unless you know his story then stop making hate comments,


    • Not A Breed says:

      I’m glad to hear he’s in a new home and is doing well. Please note this article is from a long time ago. Doc is a very lucky horse to have been rescued from the kill pen at an auction that is WELL known for “direct to slaughter”.
      I hope he lives the rest of his life well cared for, healthy and happy.


  • Amelia dillingham says:

    He is now 24 living a happy life.i taught his tricks and many other things.he is well cared for and is living a happy life.


  • amelia dillingham says:

    your welcome


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