A Tangled Web…

December 2, 2011 § 150 Comments

This is a story that I actually had to draw a flowchart to keep track of… so bear with me here.

There are several key players, not the least of which are a well-known criminal and the OSPCA.  There’s also a rescue involved… go figure.

AND there are some horses that desperately need saving!

Player Number One

Richard “Butch” Clare

If you don’t know who he is, you’re obviously not from Ontario.  This is a well-known man who not only owns a cattle slaughter house / feed lot (Aylmer Meat Packers Inc.) – but he’s made a good living at transporting horses to slaughter.  Ah Butch, you’re already my favorite character.  My favorite part of Butch’s story is that he has plead guilty to, and been fined hundreds of thousands of dollars for, improper acts.  What improper acts?  Oh, you know… slaughtering cattle not fit for human consumption and putting it out in the market for us ‘humans’ to eat.  You see, the cattle he ‘slaughtered’ were already dead.  They showed UP dead.  The only animal that should have been eating that cow was a dog (not that I think that’s ok either).  He lost his (slaughterhouse) license FIVE times in 12 years!  That didn’t stop him from slaughtering cattle for human consumption though!  Oh no, not Butch!

 “I never, ever sold a piece of meat I wouldn’t eat myself.”
… He said to the judge… who then convicted him…

He’s also been fined for violations of the Ontario Water Resources Act.  So not only was he feeding you shitty meat, but he was polluting your water system.

One interesting quote:

Although Aylmer Meat Packers Inc. owner Richard “Butch” Clare isn’t talking to the media, lots of people around Burford, Ontario are – even if some of them will not allow their names to be used for fear of reprisal.  And, the story says, the picture many of them paint of the heavy-set, 50ish meat packer, who has been accused of taking in sick and dead animals for butchering, is not a flattering one; most people interviewed by the Star this weekend are in no way surprised by Clare’s current predicament.  Calling him, among other things, “loud,” “opinionated” and a “redneck,” more than a dozen people interviewed over the weekend claimed they were afraid of the man and of the crew of slaughterhouse workers he kept at the controversial plant, which now sits closed and under police guard as provincial inspectors sift through its secrets.

One man who knew Clare as a young boy was quoted as saying, “Butch was a crazy bugger who grew up, got involved in business (with) no education or nothing, and did pretty well.”  A couple who live near the plant were cited as saying they’ve seen  slaughtered pigs lying out back in the sun for hours before being taken into the plant for butchering.  Clare bought the facility about a decade ago and he and his two sons have expanded the operation enormously since taking it over, they say.  More than half a dozen nearby neighbours described regular late-night animal shootings, which would have occurred long after any provincial meat inspectors stationed at the plant had left the premises.

(my bold/underline)

And…

According to a 2002 audit:

  The operator does not ensure that employees use hygienic food handling practices.

  There is contact between cooked and raw meat products during processing.

  Each carcass is not suitably trimmed to remove contamination instead it’s hosed down with water

  Staff eat and use tobacco in food handling areas

(Personal Note:  Ugh!!!  Who EATS in “food handling” areas?  That’s like the TV shows where the coroner eats while autopsying some rotting corpse!)

Oh, did I mention Butch also made a tonne of money transporting horses for slaughter?  Right, I did.  But it bears mentioning again…

Player Number Two

Elaine Warren

But wait… check this out…  There’s a woman who was charged with Butch in the Alymer Meat Packers scandal, what was her name?  Oh, right… Elaine Warren.   Now where have I heard that name before?  Oh, lets see!   She runs M&E Rescue Farm!  What do they do, you ask?  Why they rescue horses from slaughter!  And who lives with her?  Got it yet?  Right!!  Butch Clare!  And what does good ol’ Butch do?  Right, he runs cows and horses to slaughter.  And what is Elaine’s ‘cover story’?  They’ve learned from their mistakes… they’ve repented… they’ve opened a rescue to make up for all their past misdeeds.

We are a private farm, and the money to enable us to care for horses like these, comes from our pockets and the sale of horses after rehabilitation/training. We love animals. Horses, donkeys, cows, goats and everything else you can think of.

Yeah.  Right.  And I’ve personally known – oh, about a dozen or so –  leopards who have changed their spots!

So Elaine, I have a question for you:  What happened to the grey Percheron?  You know, the one you recently took in?  The one from Ken Miltons?  Where did it end up?  And you can make up all the stories you want, but you don’ t have any proof to back up the idea that it may have gone to a good home, do you?  Why?  Oh right, because you don’t have any paperwork to prove it!

Edit in:  The Percheron is in a new home.

You see, I know for a fact you don’t have an adoption process.  No application.  No home check.  No contract.  No reference checks.  Nothing!

I guess if someone has the cash in hand, anyone can come “adopt” a horse from you.  Right?

I guess that’s why you ask for donations but can’t offer receipts… because to become a charitable organization you’d have to report income and such, right?  No sense being accountable to anyone!

Wait, one more thing… according to local sources, you traded a couple of horses for some old, moldy hay.  Those two horses were a 20+ year old blind mare and a one-eyed mare.  Who did you trade them to?  Oh, Ken Milton.  See Player Number Three

Player Number Three

Ken Milton

According to local lore, Ken is this fucktard who seems to get his kicks from starving animals.  Dogs, cows, horses – you name it he’ll starve it.  And when the animal finally dies from starvation, why ol’ Ken just hooks ’em up to the tractor and drags ’em into the bush and outta sight.

From what I heard, Ken is a man who lost his license due to drinking and driving, so putters about on his tractor – because you don’t need a license for that you know!  He’ll even haul horses in a trailer behind it!!  Except of course when he’s driving into town, right past the local police station, on his way to the bar.  For that he takes his unregistered, uninsured truck.  And where does he drink (you might ask)?  Well, Ken likes to drink at the local tavern – in neighbouring Drumbo.  That’s an important point but I’ll get back to the Drumbo link in a minute.

What is in Kens past, you also might ask?  Well, lets see… he’s got a history of spousal abuse, illegal firearms and trying to knock off his soon-to-be ex-wife (all in addition to the DUIs of course).  It seems no one wants to speak up against Ken, since he has a penchant for – oh lets call it “retaliation”.

Well, now Ken has a bunch of horses, including the blind mare, the one-eyed mare, and some studs.  Because that’s an excellent mix.

Not to mention that his horses often get loose – including the studs!  Why?  Well, I suspect because your fencing isn’t adequate!

Player Number Four

April Hussey

Ah, what an appropriate last name.  I guess she’s really trying to live up to that one…

According to local lore, again, this woman is a piece of work.  I’ll just leave it at that because her mommy is upset with me.  :( 

Suffice it to say she’s not an upstanding citizen – even if mommy doesn’t like to see the truth in print. 

April had five horses.  She moved them to Ken Miltons place.  They were being neglected.  One was a Percheron with very bad hooves.  A concerned citizen asked April if they could buy the horse for $200.00, and was told she’d rather the horse go for meat.  That Percheron was picked up the next day, by Elaine Warren… then disappeared.  There are now four horses that belong to April living at Kens.  Did I mention that April is such a good mom, she has a three year old pony stud for her five year old daughter? Yeah, because THAT’s not an accident waiting to happen!

Where does April work?  The pub in Drumbo…

And by the way, how does someone who has a child, is a single parent, and works in a bar afford four horses???  Oh, right, don’t bother with vet, farrier or feed.  THATs how.

Player Number Five

OSPCA

And what has the OSPCA done?  Well, not a fuck of a lot in my opinion.  All of the players in this story have long histories with the OSPCA, yet after receiving multiple complaints from multiple people, they dragged their heels in getting out to see the horses.  Then, when they finally DID go, they ordered the horses into the barn and out of inclement weather.  That’s it.  There’s no food, but as long as they’re out of the rain.  Right?

Several days and several complaints later, they were finally removed.

What is their excuse for the long period of time between receiving complaints and acting on them?  Oh, right, they were busy.

But, and here’s the kicker, where were the horses sent?  The ones that don’t belong to April Hussey?  Oh, yeah, M&E Rescue Farm!  Back to where at least two of them they came from!  And to my knowledge, the OSPCA has been told exactly how those horses came to be at Kens.  Via M&E Rescue Farm.  Now the pregnant blind mare is in a field with a bunch of other horses.  Anyone who knows anything about blind horses knows this is an accident waiting to happen.

When someone inquired about the Percheron that went to M&E Rescue within a couple of days of them receiving it, it was already ‘gone’.  Hmmm… nice big horse, huh Butch?

And the four horses belonging to April are still at Ken’s.  Nice.

…….

So, the long and the short of it is there’s a pro-slaughter activist living with a supposed horse rescuer, horses disappear, and there’s no way to track where they went.  The 20-something year old blind mare (who’s in foal – lovely) and the one-eyed mare (also in foal) are at M&E Rescue Farm, where they are having difficulty getting food in such a large herd.  Please, someone, go get these two horses and get them safe!

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§ 150 Responses to A Tangled Web…

  • What a mess……doesn’t matter where the pro slaughter folks live, Canada or the US, they are the bottle of the barrell slime. No morals, no conscience, no integrity……just slime.

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    • lynda hankins says:

      What the hell is wrong with these scum bags who treat horses like this…………I am from the Uk and it is heartbreaking to hear of this torture and abuse happening……..stop breeding for meat…….and control the other breeders…too many horses going to hell holes or being ill treated. Why are they allowed to do this……they should be locked up the ones who butcher these noble animals

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    • None of your business says:

      Your wrong and this article is complety wrong about M&E sending their horses to slaughter. The one blind 20year horse old is still there along with the one eyed horse that they apparently traded for mouldy hay. There names are Ginger and Rolly and they are under great care.

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  • Kim Mckenna says:

    What a horriffic story. MAYBE just maybe the media might be interested in such crazy story. Might get something done.

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    • Ashley says:

      This is not true. I volunteer at m&e and they dont do such. They love animals. This artical is completely false. The horses there talking about ( No eye and the one who is blind) are name Ginger and Rolly. They are still there! You should beieve everything you read on the internet. Go to the website.

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  • andalvin1962 says:

    And the OSCPA keeps sending me requests for donations! They will never get a nother penny from us until they clean up their act and do what they are mandated to do.
    Great reporting, NOB!

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  • andalvin1962 says:

    HAH! Sorry, that should be, NAB!

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    • Not A Breed says:

      That’s ok. Happens all the time. ;)

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      • None of your business says:

        You are telling horrific lies about this place. This is a place where animals are able to get their second chance at life and you are making it sound like they are sent to slaughter house. I vollunteer there so you can’t say I know nothing about Elaine and Butch (they are the kindest people I know). Rolly and Ginger (the horses that they apparently traded for mouldy hay) are still there and are under good care. That is only one of many lies in this article. They probably didn’t let you buy one of their horses because that thought you were unsuitable for him/her and you got mad ans stupid and write this bol shit article. Bad day to you.

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        • Not A Breed says:

          And again, I get first-hand knowledge from others who HAVE actually worked there. But I love how every single story people accuse me of being in the area and having a personal vendetta for some perceived slight.

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  • Jeannie says:

    Such a heart breaking story, for the animals that come across their paths and not by their choice. I hope someone can bring these abusers to their knees…………….I go numb, my mind goes blank for a bit as I just can’t stand what goes on and I never ask myself how can people do this, as I use to ask myself because I know why, they are evil and have chose their way to walk on earth, with the devil himself..We will all stand accountable, one day….It is just so heart wrenching for these beautiful animals and for the people that will get sick from their disgusting slaughtering….

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  • Debbie Stoutamire says:

    I am quite sure my blood pressure just spiked reading about these evil people and what they have done to the horses. There seems to be no justice left in this world. I am a volunteer at the Habitat for Horses, and I pray for ALL of the horses every day – near and far.

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  • thinkgoat says:

    Shit, it’s so good to have you back.

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  • SAM says:

    Discusting and then they ask why we want a BAN on H-Slaughter! Well include these stories to many others and make a conclusion. Support new BILL C-322 in Canada, folks. The Horses need protection from evil humuns! God bless the animals

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    • Hayley says:

      my only issue with banning horse slaughter in Canada, is all that means is the horses will now have to endue a god awful trip on a crowded ship to be slaughtered somewhere over seas, or packed into a trailer and shipped across the USA to mexico…. if they are destined to die at least if we have slaughter houses in Canada their death isn’t as long and grueling as what woudl be if there was a ban…regardless of any bill, horses will be sent to slaughter. If anything I say support slaughter, an d tighten restrictions and standards on HOW and WHERE and WHEN they are slaughtered.

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      • Not A Breed says:

        Horses are companion animals. They are not livestock. Laws need to be changed. Horses should not be slaughtered for human consumption for SO many reasons OTHER than transport and inhumane considerations. Have you heard of Bute? Sheesh. Come ON Hayley. Read any of the slaughter articles I’ve written (there’s a handy little list if you hover over “Horse Slaughter Articles” on the left). You’re so far off the mark…

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      • CBrush says:

        Well said, horses will always be slaughtered lets keep ours in our country where we have regulations. As far as “no kill” horse rescue places lets keep them on their toes and keep them honest.

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        • Suzanne Moore says:

          WE have REGULATIONS? We sure didn’t regulate the last horse slaughter plants on US soil. It’s going to be different if we open more?

          Do you not understand that ALL the plants we had here, ALL the plants in Canada and the Mexican plants where most of our horses go are owned and regulated by the same people? The EU, and they ALL have the SAME regulations.

          As for the USDA, would you care to see 900 pictures of egregious violations right here in the good ole USA? http://kaufmanzoning.net. They have a lot of documentation. You might learn something.

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  • Barbie says:

    I feel this is a crime and they should be punished (jail time) beside’s a fine, lose their properties and lose all right’s to having any animals and if caught the second time the jail sentence should be longer each time caught and the fines heavier, I feel now days there’s to much – turning of the heads and not enough punishment for cruelty to animals.

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  • Becki says:

    For the love of God!!! What is wrong with them? Oh wait….ALOT! Well, first off, I know that M&E rescue advetises in the Horsetrader Magazine, and hasn’t added any new horses in a very long time. Maybe someone should put a bug in their ear. As far as the other clowns in this circus, the citizens need to ban together, and stand up to them. A good ole runnin out of town party!! There is….safety in numbers.

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  • N.Bean says:

    These people disgust me. They are not evil, they are people who make the choice to do what they do. That is even more frightening. The horse world is full of these types. Cut them off at their advertising sources, hammer at the OSPCA and for goodness sake CHECK OUT WHO YOU SURRENDER YOUR HORSES TO!!!!!!!

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  • Hayley says:

    I went to M&E rescue to find a horse for a friend…they told me this horse was dead broke and a young boy was riding him… First they wouldn’t let me tack up the horse, while I watched it looked like it was this horses first time being saddled and bridled, he jumped, skittered and gnawed on the bit…. time to test ride…. well my god, the poor thing didn’t even know what Whoa meant…I hopped down said “thanks, we’ll keep him in mind” and left…. he’s in my mind alright….I worry about where he is and whos handling that poor soul…
    the two ladies there kept circling around my questions and trying to point out the “good ” qualities of the horse….look how pretty he is…he’s got nice feet…
    Sure, he was nice looking…but wow…. complete lies about his training. And I was looking for a horse for a novice 12 year old girl :(
    its sad that dirt bags cover their tracks by calling them selves “rescues”

    If I had my own land I woudl buy that poor blind mare.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      I am seeing other stories on Facebook that are similar to yours and worse.
      My suspicion it M&E Rescue is a thinly veiled channel for horse slaughter. Keep a few ‘rescue’ horses hanging around the front pasture, meanwhile horse after horse goes out the back door straight onto one of Butches trucks.

      Just my suspicion…

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    • Jo says:

      Hayley, now a year later, I wonder how that blind mare and that other one eyed horse are doing. No, horse slaughter is never alright! I paid
      $ 167.00 recently to have one of my horses put down due to unsoundness, both mind and body. She had bone damage, stifle injury,
      extreme anxiety, pain etc. all inflicted on her before I took ownership over. That mare loved me and worked so hard at learning to trust a human being again after all she’d been through. Equine Pro -slaughter nutcases want that last dollar possible, as well as an easy way out for
      themselves. No, horse slaughter will never be alright. No excuses.

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      • M&E Volunteer says:

        I volunteer there & Ginger (the blind mare) recently passed away from old age. Rolly ( the one eyed horse) is happily in a grass pasture with a pasture mate.

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      • M&E Volunteer says:

        Ginger (blind mare) recently did of old age & Rolly (one eyed horse) is living happily in a grass pasture with a pasture mate

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  • lynn ward says:

    Just a minute. I was trying to be surprised but couldn’t. I know many of these charactors and can’t call them people. This is a perfect example of how the OSPCA and courrent law have let animals down

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  • maggie says:

    What a bunch of sick people using a horse rescue place as a front to cover up what their true intentions are. They are just a bunch of money grabbing heartless a__holes who deserve to be put through the meat grinder themselves. Take your Slaughter House and shove it up your fat Ass Butch!!! Hell is waiting for you!!!

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  • Not A Breed says:

    I think part of what is bothering me is horses are run back and forth between M&E and this Ken Milton guys place. Horses are unaccounted for, the ‘big’ ones just disappear within a couple days…

    It’s all too fishy for my liking…

    I’d love to hear any more stories about dealings with any of these folks, but especially M&E.

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    • Anna says:

      Oh well I recently went to look at two horses that were marketed as sound and both were totally lame. They wanted over 1000 dollars for each of them and still do!

      Some sucker that doesn’t know anything about horses will buy them and end up with god knows what in vet bills. I guess it beats the meat price though to sell what they can for over the meat price to anyone with a handshake.

      In my opinion M & E needs to clarify the difference between ‘dead broke’ and ‘dead lame’ .

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    • nicole says:

      Id love to know who wrote this story. The young pony is currently residing at my folks place. April hussy dumped him off there.

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  • Not A Breed says:

    And one more thing… why is it that they haven’t uploaded a single new photo to their Facebook page since October of 2010?
    Doesn’t seem like they’re trying very hard to adopt horses out…

    I love how one of their supporters says (about me) “This website, if you read into it alot more, actually bashes nearly every rescue I know of.”

    If you click the category “Bad Rescue” – right up there on the right – you get exactly FIVE stories. And one of them is about a dog shelter.
    So yeah, I just slam every rescue around, don’t I?

    :) Gotta love those supporters!

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  • sd says:

    talk is cheap. canadians have to stop being reserved, stop assuming someone else will take care of the bad things.
    and here i am looking for an animal sanctuary to leave all my valuables to when i pass away. i don’t want these shit monsters to get my donations.
    we need to communicate more. action not words.
    there are lots of ways to squeeze these folks out completely out so they never do willful harm again.

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  • Shelley says:

    I was wondering has anyone been out to M&E’s team penning they hold at their cattle feed lot? I heard that they take horses straight from the auction with no knowledge of their training and let any yahoo that wants to ride them get on and try to do penning and think it’s a big joke to watch these horses try to throw their riders. They claim they love animals but I’m thinking it’s more like they love the stress they can cause any animal they can get their hands on. Would like to hear if someone has any first hand knowledge of this.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      I DID hear that story, except it was Butch and his yahoos doing that to horses he had picked up for slaughter. Fucktard.

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    • Eugene Arsenault says:

      rumors nothing more! i’ve been to team penning there, its more about learning from a couple of pros, no one is out to hurt or abuse any of the animals and if M&E do bring out rescues its only the ones that have worked cattle. most of us own our own horses

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    • renee says:

      I recently purchased a such horse from them and returned it after it nearly killed me.

      No money back.

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  • Chris says:

    According to this article, one of the sons was also involved in the horse slaughter plant in Owen Sound.

    “One of the sons, Jeff, operating at Butch Clare Livestock Ltd., was recently fined $25,000 after he pleaded guilty to charges laid by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency for moving cattle more than 30 months old into the U.S. in early 2006. Jeff was also listed as the principal investor in the purchase of the former Barton Feeders horse-packing plant at Owen Sound”

    http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/8694-aylmer-meat-packers-guilty/

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Yes, I did see that, but aside from showing that the whole family are a bunch of assholes… it wasn’t really relative to this story in particular. And I don’t want one post being book length. ;)

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  • larry says:

    i was speechless after reading this well written article. i also will not belittle myself and write what i think about these peices of trash but it sure would be nice to see them put in the same conditions that they’ve put those poor animals through !!

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  • Colleen says:

    this video they have on their website to break your heart and make you donate… figure that MUST have been from Butch’s front pasture…

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    • Sara says:

      Id like to know what video you and referring to. Are you even on the right website? Please indicate where you have found this video on the M&E website.

      http://www.merescuefarm.com

      Also, it shows on this website a team penning charity event which they held for a young girl, Kendra, who has autisum. M&E Rescue held this even to raise money so Kendra could get an autism service dog. Yea these are “evil people” alright. Are you sure the finger shouldn’t just be pointed to April, who put mares and studs together in a field, as oppose to M&E Rescue who did nothing wrong.

      http://www.merescuefarm.com/Quarter-Townline-Penning.html

      Something isn’t right here, do none of you other readers not see it? Or are you blindly accepting that what notabreed has to say is the only truth even though she has not provided any proof to support her claims. I’d like to see the pictures you say you have and the letters from the OPSCA stating the blind horses from M&E Rescue were pregnant and that the OSPCA are the ones who removed the blind horses from Kens property.

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  • Eugene Arsenault says:

    I’m the owner of a rescue horse myself; I’ve owned him a little over a year now. He came to the rescue lame and with a lot of work, time and money he’s healing!

    Now, although I think that your intentions are good and your trying to stop horse slaughter, I feel your tactics are very wrong, Mr. /Ms. Notabreed (I really want to say Ms. Since your writing lacks testosterone). You attack people and hide behind your computer. What you deem as journalism is nothing more than a story which has been spun in the favor of your cause. Some “facts” included here are completely incorrect. The tactics you employ to create this piece are more geared to persuade the reader through emotional claims rather than to give reader a balanced view of the story. This is a one sided story aka bad journalism because of lack of mediation. I’ve read a lot of you’re blogs since seeing this one. All I can say is get off your computer, go out to these places/people your blacklisting and make sure your slanderous speech is at least warranted.

    Oh by the way did I mention that my horse was adopted from M&E Rescues and that I also board him there! Ya that’s right, you heard me correctly, I own a horse adopted from these “evil people”. You are basing your stories off of hear say and a game of broken telephone, rather than doing your due diligence and asking the rescue straight up if these claims are true. This is idiotic and bad journalistic practice. Had you have ever been out to that farm and talked to any of the owners or volunteers, you would know that Elaine Warren is one of the most caring and friendly people you will have ever meet. She and her partner love all of those horses and they do their best to find them loving homes. She keeps that facility immaculate. Every horse brought into that place is checked over, their feet and teeth are done and vet checks as needed.

    Since the adoption of my horse, I’ve also become a volunteer there and I’ve seen a lot of people look at horses. I’ve seen both those ladies try very hard to fit the right horse with the right person and lets face it, it’s very challenging! A lot of people do jump into this lifelong commitment without proper thought. For the most part it all works out however, sometimes it doesn’t and M&E takes those horses back in. Yes M&E Rescues still believes in a “handshake” and “cash in hand” as you so put it, but SO WHAT. We all want to see them in loving homes, these horses don’t come with paperwork! Do you have any idea where many these horses come from? That’s right I’m going to say it most of the horses are bought at the meat auction. Why? So they don’t end up as MEAT!! If those ladies could, they would buy them all!! But lets face it, they are a small operation that is supported out of their own pockets and the sale of horses, no government help or funding; just good old people who love horses. Oh and hey, when moneys real tight and the horses need hay or a vet check, guess who reaches in his own pocket to help out? Big Bad Bully Butch Clair! Say what you want about the man, but he does have a heart and means well. Whatever Butch has done is his business and I’m sure he’s paid for it!! Either way, believe it or not, it has no bearing on M&E Rescues or what they stand for!

    If a horse is extremely sick and should not go on, the vet is called and the heartbreaking deed is done, with a needle not a gun! They most certainly do not go to the butchers for meat!

    Now you ask about the “missing” Percheron. I know where it is, it’s alive and kicking and very comfortable. Unfortunately, the new loving owner doesn’t want to be involved in this bullshit blog drama! Just like you notabreed, this person would like to remain anonymous!

    You made a statement that the two blind mares are in foal, what the fuck is wrong with you? Maybe this is a case of “fucked up telephone”! Did you know that the ladies had the vet out ASAP to check those two horses and as it turned out neither were with foal. They paid out of their own pocket for a vet check, on horses that are free to a good home because they care about their horses. They were unaware additional horses (studs at that) were being added to the field. As soon as the ladies were made aware of this the horses were removed from the property as soon as possible and brought back to M&E Rescues. Both of these horses are kept in a field with a handful of horses, the three geldings (one of which is mine) in that field protect those two mares, it’s a herd mentality.

    Get the facts straight, notabreed, you can’t just sit behind a computer, Google a bunch of shit and get information from unreliable sources, paste it together and make it sound the way you want, to bring out all the bleeding hearts, that’s not how you get shit done!! Be honest and do real research. Anyone can do what you do it’s really not that difficult, but getting it done right is more important to the cause, I think anyways!

    I hope one day horse slaughter stops, but unfortunately Canada and its diverse cultures (some eat dog, some eat horse) and people like you will make that difficult!!!

    So here it is notabreed, come on out (physically) and express your concerns, have a look for yourself and the ladies will be glad to answer your questions. We can saddle up and go for a ride and you can see what kind of place M&E Rescues is all about.

    As god is my witness (and your 25 or so readers) its one of the cleanest friendliest places around!!!

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Hi Eugene,

      Thanks for commenting. I’m sure there are a few stories out there about M&E and a great horse… No surprise.
      BUT, nothing you’ve written actually has changed my mind.

      My intentions ARE good, and I AM trying to stop slaughter. Education is key. Part of that education is to let people know that they have to research rescues that they entrust with their horses. One of the BIGGEST things about a reliable rescue is that they CARE where the horse ends up, and what happens to it. No home check, no reference check, cash and carry does not equate a good rescue. That’s just common sense. Duuuh.

      Just because my writing is proper (ie. using correct grammar, punctuation and spelling) does not mean my writing lacks “testosterone”. It just means I went to school and I listened and learned. Unlike SOME people.

      I never said what I write was “journalism”. What I HAVE said is that at least I CAN write. This is a blog. It is MY opinion, most of it. And because I have a large readership, I actually get information from readers who are part of stories. And just an FYI, this story alone has garnered over twelve hundred readers… so your “twenty five readers” is kind of bullshit… but go ahead, slam me if you want.

      Oh well, here’s a screen shot of MY proof… where’s yours?

      stats

      “All I can say is get off your computer, go out to these places/people your blacklisting and make sure your slanderous speech is at least warranted”
      If you click on the tag above right “Bad Rescue” I’ve only written FIVE stories about bad rescues since I started this blog. And one of those was about a dog shelter. So I’m not quite sure why you think I’m just out to slam rescues…
      Oh, you say “people/places”, do you mean some of the abusers, hoarders, and neglecter’s I’ve written about? Wow. Why don’t YOU go hang out with them? Sorry, I don’t need to spend any more time dwelling on these asswipes.

      And by the way, your “broken telephone” reference is complete bullshit. I’m getting facts. Straight from eye-witnesses. Straight from emails to and from the OSPCA. There’s no “broken telephone” or anything of that nature. Do you not realize that you may not be privy to all the information, as an adopter and a volunteer? Wow. Your ego astounds me, that you think you must know EVERYTHING. Why, according to you, you’re as bad as ME!

      You say “I’ve seen both those ladies try very hard to fit the right horse with the right person…” but I’ve heard stories exactly the opposite of this! Here are a few quotes from other pages for ya:

      “well if this isn’t enough for some people-maybe they should talk to the lineup of pissed off adoptors/buyers -no contracts,lies about health,temperment ,training-threatening emails…” (my italics)

      “we have two horses from them – I could certainly tell some stories in dealing with them…”

      And read Hayley’s comment above… oh yeah… I suppose you think that was ME writing, right? Think again!

      You say: “Yes M&E Rescues still believes in a “handshake” and “cash in hand” as you so put it, but SO WHAT” That’s NOT how I “put it”. I lambaste them because they DON’T have any protocol regarding home checks. Fuck. Are you deaf? Any reputable rescue checks references. They care where the horse they spent time and money to rescue ends up. They care because they don’t want any horse to end up at slaughter! They care that the horse comes back to them if the new owners are unable to keep the horse – thus they have a contract. What is M&E doing? Just giving horses away willy-nilly! Well, any old meat buyer could come and give them a song and dance and walk out with a horse! You say they take the horse back… but they don’t ensure the horse comes back. There’s a huge difference!

      As for Butch Clare “Say what you want about the man, but he does have a heart and means well.”… Yeah, I got that – out of ALL the (legitimate <– that's just for you) news articles. Yeah, dude cares a WHOLE fucking bunch about animals! Have you read any of the articles??? Obviously not. Otherwise you’d be totally pissed at the treatment of animals at his hand – and you wouldn’t be defending him! No one who sells meat unfit for human consumption cares about SHIT.

      Regarding the missing Percheron… show me ONE DATED PHOTO (dated December 4 or later) of that horse to prove it’s “alive and kicking” and I’ll issue a public apology to you personally. You AND Butch Clare. Go ahead!!! I’m fairly certain I won’t be apologizing to anyone any time soon… ;)

      And BTW, what the hell do you care who I am? You obviously checked out my Facebook page, where I quite forthrightly tell my name, yet you doubt me. That’s your issue, not mine. I guess I’m just too dumb to come up with an imaginative “fake” name. Whatever… (BTW, look in any phone book and you’ll see pages of John Smiths. It’s a common name fucktard.)

      “You made a statement that the two blind mares are in foal, what the fuck is wrong with you? Maybe this is a case of “fucked up telephone”! Did you know that the ladies had the vet out ASAP to check those two horses and as it turned out neither were with foal.” Hmmm, I have it on GOOD authority that BOTH of those mares are in foal. Prove me wrong… Do you deny they were in a pasture with several studs? CAN you deny that? I doubt it. I haven’t heard you say ONE thing about Ken Milton… yet, you seem SO in the know!

      And I have to say, I laughed my fucking ASS off about your “herd mentality” and the herd protecting the two weak / blind mares. What fucking planet are you from? While herds generally watch out for each other, when push comes to shove, and it does, the weak, blind, whatever horse is the last to eat, the last to drink, and certainly the last to be protected. Have you ever heard of “survival of the fittest”??? I’ve WATCHED how blind or weak horses are treated in pasture by “the herd”. They are run off from food, they are abandoned by the herd, and no one gives a flying FUCK about them. I’ve watched it. I’ve LIVED it. I’ve had a blind horse. So as long as everything is kosher, yeah, they might buddy up with someone who kind of ‘looks after them’. But when the shit hits the fan, that poor girl is left to her own devices.

      And those two mares were not “free to a good home”. They were traded for moldy hay TO a bad home (Ken Milton), then the OSPCA returned them to M&E.

      And ha ha ha “Google a bunch of shit and get information from unreliable sources, paste it together and make it sound the way you want, to bring out all the bleeding hearts…” What did I reference? Oh yeah, news articles expounding on the utterly disgusting practices of Alymer Meat Packers – AKA Butch Clare – and his son and cohorts. Yeah, it’s all just a bunch of bullshit, right?

      Those ARE the facts.

      And your: “I hope one day horse slaughter stops, but unfortunately Canada and its diverse cultures (some eat dog, some eat horse) and people like you will make that difficult!!!” shows how utterly ignorant you are to the facts. Less than THREE PERCENT of North Americans eat horse meat. That means no less that 97 PERCENT of horse meat is shipped… oh, where… overseas! All I’m here for is to present the FACTS. Unfortunately I get losers like you who want to come muddy the waters with their bullshit and try to make me… and the FACTS about horse slaughter… look idiotic. Nice try buddy.

      PS: Please read the your/you’re section of the following page: https://notabreed.wordpress.com/spelling-made-easy/

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      • Bobby says:

        Hi
        You are so full of hot air.
        If you were so concerned about these horses you wouldn’t be on the computer writing about it. You’d be out the trying to stop them. Protesting! Calling the OSPCA every day but your not! Your sitting in a nice comfy computer chair typing away like words are going to fix anything. How many horses have you rescued?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
        I don’t want to act you personally but it seems like that’s how you work. I hate when people say GO fix a problem but are too lazy to try to fix it themselves!!!!!
        At least M&E are out there trying to help horses. You’re sitting on your ass complaining about it!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Sue says:

          I see the only opinion that matters is your own.
          You are asking for photo proof. Where’s your photo proof!!!!!!!!!!!! If your mad at butch don’t be a girl and attack everyone connected to him!!!!!!! Grow up!!!!!!
          This blog reminds me if a venting teenage girl!!!!!!

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          • Not A Breed says:

            No. And here you’re wrong. I fully admitted there are probably “good” stories. I put up photographic proof in my comment on one item. I asked for one in return. I even promised an apology for that photographic proof. What more do you want?
            I do have other photos, but unfortunately posting them would point the finger at my sources. If need be, I can crop a bunch of shit out and just show the horses, but then all I’d hear is “those could be ANY horses”.

            I’m not “mad at Butch”. I’m disgusted by Butch.
            And if you don’t like the style of my blog, then go away. It’s as simple as that. :)

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        • Not A Breed says:

          Ah Bobby, thank you for being the first to bring out and dust off the strawman arguments.
          Just because I write about horses, doesn’t mean I don’t rescue. It doesn’t mean I don’t protest, call the OSPCA, etc. I don’t call them every day, mind you, I do have a job and horses to care for.
          And at least I’m not all over the internet, begging for donations for the horses I do have, and have rescued.

          If you read through any of the comment sections, you will see people thanking me for writing about the things I do. It’s only the friends and family of the people I write about that come here and try to bash me.

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      • Guess who too says:

        I would like to know how you are aware that April had a miscarriage. What a terrible thing to say, that she “disposed of the body” I have an idea who you are, and a slander charge is being processed as I write this. April is not a saint, but you on the other hand are a malicious liar, trouble maker, and I cannot wait to see your name on the front page of the Ayr News being charged for derogatory comments.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      And BTW Eugene, the reason I know the two mares are in foal… is from the OSPCA emails I’m in possession of. So stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

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    • Shelley says:

      Eugene:

      It’s time you took off your rose colored glasses and see these people for who they are. And as far as M&E doing no follow up check or application on potential adopters—-I know of people who have adopted horses from them and the deal is that you take a horse and it doesn’t work out—you bring the horse back but you don’t get any of your money back. Sure, they offer you another horse in return but if you don’t want another horse from these liars then you are shit out of luck getting a dime back from them. Pretty sweet deal for Mel and Elaine. They can potentially double/triple their money on one horse! You keep claiming that all the money comes out of their pocket to look after these horses but don’t you wonder where there money comes from when they don’t have jobs? (oops! sorry, guess they claim scamming people with the rescue is a job!) The money is their pockets is from suckers such as yourself!!!!!

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      • Anonymous says:

        They are not a fucking Walmart!!!!! For example you can’t bring a horse back three months later and expect your money back for a full refund. The horse was all fine and dandy for those three months no? I think it is great that M&E takes the horses back. Theres is no way to tell what happened to the horse in it’s new home on a day to day basis. Horses could be bought healthy and fine and be back with an injury or “ruined” in some way. Look at the price range and abilities of these horses. Not every person who comes to look at a horse is going to be an excellent rider and most of the horses are for trails or companion, which experience riders typically wouldn’t want. If someone gets hurt, they could blame the horse and bring it back even if it is not the case (even the best of us get injured sometimes). If they are going to bring a horse back to M&E because of their own stupidity then they don’t deserve their money back!

         And truly does an application process really make that much of a difference? You can lie on an application and a rescue wouldn’t know and would still sell you a horse how would they know? Smoke and mirrors. It’s not like the other rescues go and physically visit where the horse will be living or moved too. And I am fairly certain that most rescues do not do a follow up check and go physically visit the horse. How do you know M&E doesn’t stay in contact with their buyers in one way shape or form? And it is not realistic to be able to stay in contact with every buyer. Who has the time for that? People move change emails, phone numbers ect. If you look at their website it clearly shows many of their horses in their new homes. 

        http://www.merescuefarm.com/inforeverhomes.html

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        • Shelley says:

          Anonymous

          To clarify—I wasn’t talking about bringing a horse back three months later—what about three days later? And as far as other rescues go—check the OSAS website for one and look at the protocol they follow for adoption. They check your farm first before even allowing you to see any of their horses. And yes, they do follow ups for as long as you have the horse. Good rescues have an application and a check of the facilities. How can a place call themselves a rescue if they put horses in situations that they need rescuing themselves?

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          • Not A Breed says:

            ^ Exactly what I was referring to. A reputable rescue checks out adopters. They require an application process that includes checking references that have to include vet and farrier. They do a “home check”. They check in on the horse after it’s adopted. They have a contract (http://rehomeyourhorse.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/contracts-a-must-have/). There is a trial period. This is to ensure no horse they’ve had through their rescue EVER gets run to slaughter or ends up in a bad home.

            OH, and another thing? Part of the contract on mares is NO BREEDING.
            No horse ever leaves a reputable rescue without being gelded.

            THAT’s a good rescue.

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            • Nbean says:

              Whispering Hearts Horse Rescue does at least 3 interviews, has observation sessions between the horse and potential owner, visits the potential home, has a contract, follow-up with the horses and seize them if necessary. Due to the thorough process leading up to the adoption this does not occur often. They request vet records if necessary (in contract).
              AND the meat man is not their friend!!!!!
              Wake up people!

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              • Not A Breed says:

                FUCK YEAH!!!
                Excuse my language, but seriously, this is EXACTLY what I’m talking about!
                Of course their “supporters” will never admit this might be the better way to do things. And what kind of rescue has someone like Butch Clare living and working out of it??? God. Seriously!?!?!?!?!?

                Thank you for showing that I’m not the insane one here.

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          • Not A Breed says:

            Yeah, most people selling a horse even privately will do a one month trail. I’ll quote ‘rehomeyourhorse’ blog (http://rehomeyourhorse.wordpress.com/):

            Remember

            This is a living breathing animal. It is an animal that is very large and expensive to keep. Don’t lie in your ad to make the animal more appealing. This only leads to:

            – Buyers getting frustrated when they go any distance to see the horse and it’s not as advertised
            – Buyers being disappointed when you’ve tricked them into buying something that is not right for them
            – Your horse ending up in a home it is not suitable for
            – Your horse possibly ending up in a truck bound for slaughter
            – The best way to sell a horse is with a contract. You should be willing to take the horse back if it does not work out. See under tab at top for contract samples, or click http://rehomeyourhorse.wordpress.com/category/trying-to-sell-your-horse/contracts-a-must-have/ here.

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        • Tammy Lowery says:

          I adopted a Standerdbred mare 9 yrs ago , from Ontario Standardbred Adoption Society. They retain ownership of said horse, mares are NOT to be bred. There is a site inspection before you can adopt, anew site inspection every time the horse moves to a new location. Each horse is assigned a gaurdian that checks on the horse once a year. The horse must be returned to OSAS if the “owner” or adopter rather, can no longer keep the horse. So a well run rescue does check on it’s horses, adopters become a part of a huge network of friends hopefully. Check out Gentle Giant Draft Horse Rescue in Maryland , USA. They are a fabulous example of what is possible. My Mare is not rideable ,she’s 23 years young & the sweetest girl you could ever meet.:)

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          • Not A Breed says:

            Exactly my point! Reputable rescues are this way. Anyone asking for donations from the public should be held accountable BY the public. That means having records available. If you don’t KEEP records, or check in on the horses, you’re not a reputable rescue.

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        • Lair McCloud says:

          Ok so I think you need to learn a bit about horse rescue. I rescued for years and horses being adopted from rescues should not come back. Occasionally things do happen like the loss of a job or a personal health issue that would make it necessary for a horse to be returned but otherwise they should have an adoption system in place that would make it unnecessary for a horse to be returned. No horse should ever disappear from a Rescue, there should be records on all horses that go through the organization. I worked for one of the biggest rescues in the country and even they had problems with the ethical handling of horses and donations. They need to be investigated but no one will touch them because of their size. I have learned so much about the abuse of power in animal rescue that I am now very very careful of any rescue I work with. I totally believe that notabreed has their facts pretty close to right on. And I am sorry to tell you that you can go visit a rescue and not get any clue as to what is really going on in the organization. I have seen bogus photo’s posted. Lies in the way of donation ask letters, mishandling of donations, out and out lies about where the money donated goes, good horses being brokered by volunteers and board members for personal favors or personal gain and any number of other things including not feeding the horses. I am sorry for the horses but am convinced that a large number of “rescues” are fronts for horse brokers, And I assure you a speak from personal experience of one of the largest rescues and several of the smaller rescues in this country. So “Volunteer, Donator, Adopter, Buyer beware when working with a horse rescue.” That being said there are some good rescues out there you just have to really do your research before you get involved with one.

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  • Pony89 says:

    This is pretty upsetting, as I myself have rescued a Mare (that was in foal) from M&E rescue.
    However, I’m not sure if it’s all true. How do we know these sourses are correct? And is anything being done about it?

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Big surprise… another mare adopted out in foal!

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      • Pony89 says:

        Thank you for this information Not A Breed. Although I wish these reports were not correct, it’s heartbreaking to find out that this kind of stuff happens.

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        • Darla Foster says:

          There are facts in this … but most of it is a wacko that cant get her facts straight. The truth will come out.. clearly she has a personality conflict with these “players”. Once found guilty you cant be tried again…. you turn a new page… or you dont… but you cant live in the past.

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          • Not A Breed says:

            Hmmm… “once found guilty you can’t be tried again”. Well, guilty is guilty. I’m not trying Butch again. I’m pointing out facts about his history, and the fact that he’s now involved in this rescue. Facts are facts. As I said, go away. You, in particular, are not welcome here.

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      • Anonymous says:

        What would you suggest M&E do with the mares which they receive that are already in foal?

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      • Non ya says:

        Ya in foal because they are saving the mare and foal from being killed amazing people butch and Elaine are

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        • Wowed Not Really says:

          Amazing people??? LMAO. I have known this family since I was a child. I would say amazingly crooked. It doesn’t surprise me Butch’s stepsons followed in his footsteps.

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  • Eugene Arsenault says:

    I want to start by saying thank you. All you’ve done here is talk in circles and prove that I’m right. I did not hide, you have my full name and I personally and openly invited you to come on out. Clearly, your more invested in bashing me and my grammar, than coming out and learning the truth about M&E Rescue. If you want proof that the mares are not pregnant and were never pregnant come talk to our vet or look for yourself. 

    I never said you are out there slandering all horse rescues. I merely stated ensure that the information you have is correct and the full story. Sometimes to do this you need to get off your ass and go to these places and talk to these people to get that story. Did you go to Kens to check on the horses? Why not if you care so much? I originally said this because you are slandering M&E Rescue but the information you have is not the full story nor is it all correct. 

    I could easily go out and take a few pictures of the percheron. However, from what I can see here, you seem like the type of person who will accuse the shots of being doctored or fake. You would do anything to ensure your story seems grotesque and factual. Everything except physically come out for your self and get the real truth you are looking for. Non the less, I’m sure someone affiliated with M&E Rescue will go out, and take some pictures to verify that you are not completely factual in your story. 

    Now, as for Ken and April, I do not know them personally, which is why I did not speak about them. Whatever stories you heard are incomplete. Either by your sources choosing or your own. For instance, if you knew M&E had the vet out ASAP to check on Ginger and Rolli ( the blind horses which you left nameless), than why did you not mention that in your blog? Was it not beneficial to your argument to show that the ladies at M&E actually do care for their horses?

    The only affiliation Ken has with M&E is that he has a empty field with grass and they thought it would be good for the mares to be there over the summer to save on the cost of hay. M&E did not know that April would be bringing studs or horses to Kens. As soon as they found out about this, M&E picked up their horses and brought them home. The OSPCA did not take these horses anywhere.  In fact they have never stepped foot on the Elaines facility because of an issue related to M&E. The last time the OSPCA was even at the property was 9 years ago. So again your the information from your source is not creditable or factual. 

    Also I would like to point out that you seemed to have misinterpreted my first comment. Yes April’s horses and studs were added to the field with Ginger and Rolli. I never denied that. This is correct. However, M&E did not put April’s horses or studs there. Also, M&E were not aware that the horses and studs were being added to the field with Ginger and Rolli. As soon as they found out M&E brought their horses home. Once again, the OSPCA did not!

    I do want to apologize about my comment of “25 or so readers” it was unwarranted and you have proved otherwise. (I wrote readers but what I meant to write was “25 or so comments”, non the less I made a mistake and for that I’m sorry). 

    In conclusion, as much as I would love to continue this dance. It is really a waste of my time and my energy. I know the truth, I know what really matters. Attack me and my grammar all you want. Luckily my grammar isn’t an indication of the person I am or how I treat my horse. 

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  • Not A Breed says:

    Just a few notes:

    It was according to the OSPCA that both mares were in foal.

    Just after the two mares were sent to Ken’s, M&E was made aware that they were in with studs. M&E’s response was that the horses were fine. They left them there.

    The two mares weren’t removed until the OSPCA went out to Ken’s (because the horses kept getting out – bylaw officers and police were involved, as well as the complaints to the OSPCA from locals).

    According to APRIL, the Percheron’s owner, she did NOT give permission for M&E to take her horse and rehome (read: sell) it. She stands true to this story to this day. She was quite upset about it.

    According to M&E they DID have permission to remove the horses, from April!

    So, who’s lying?
    — My thoughts on this is that it’s hard to determine who is lying, especially considering the characters involved.

    One thing here on my end, I have recently found out the Percheron is actually alive and living in a new home. My apologies for my mistake on this particular horse. Although, if you read what I wrote from the beginning, I SUSPECTED the horse slipped out the back door. I had no proof, nor did I say I had proof. All I said was they wouldn’t have proof in the way of paperwork.

    And I’ll quote myself here:
    “So Elaine, I have a question for you: What happened to the grey Percheron? You know, the one you recently took in? The one from Ken Miltons? Where did it end up? And you can make up all the stories you want, but you don’ t have any proof to back up the idea that it may have gone to a good home, do you? Why? Oh right, because you don’t have any paperwork to prove it!”

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    • Eugene Arsenault says:

      Shit or get off the pot!!

      Do you want to do some real good? Do you really want to make a difference? call out to all your readers, take a drive out to Kitchener and buy a horse each! put you money where your mouth is. bid $50 higher then the highest bid and you will own a horse (one horse saved) now if a handfull of your readers have the means to do the same just think of the horse that could be saved that one day. believe me it will only take a couple hundered bucks or sit it out and wait, the ones that dont sell can be bought for the gas money to haul them away (because this is easier then loading them back on the truck). Meat men are cheep bastards, they buy as low as possible because to make real money they need to stay under their overhead. The parts are worth more than the whole. Now be aware there is no test riding and you will have no idea what kind of condition an auction horse will be in, hell you can barely get a good look at them (they are crowed together just like cattle) but you will know that you saved one horse from the slaughter house.
      You have the misconception that these meat men are prowling around rescues, buying up horses to butcher. Fortunatly that is rarely the case (I’m not saying some bastard hasn’t or isn’t trying that)

      Now you can twist my words here and you probably will but stealing these horses out from under these guys makes a hell of a lot more sense then bashing a couple of ladies who are really trying to help!

      If you have a an issue with Butch, take it up with Butch, if you think M&E is so bad go check them out but puting the two together is no different then blaming the friends and family of a drug addict or drunk. It doesn’t really matter Butch is a big boy and he can handle his own affairs!

      If Ken and April are guilty of a crime, let the OSPCA do their job! If it seems like they are draging their heals it’s probably because they need hard evidence before proceeding. Everyone here in Canada has rights, the good and the bad alike. I do not feel that a blog of nothing more then words is going to get this done any faster.

      Rant all you like. Me, i’m going to continue to move forward, enjoy my horse and help out where i can. In a couple of years i will own a farm of my own, I will buy up a few more horses and give them my loving home.

      No worries there “notabreed” i’m done ranting here!

      I guess we will all see what your really about when you respond to this post.

      Good luck, Maybe you will do some good! unfortunitly you didn’t here

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      • Not A Breed says:

        Yeah. I see you didn’t read a thing I wrote.
        Now I’m going to bed. But I did want to comment on ONE thing you wrote (I may respond more tomorrow, I’m not sure, it’s tiring trying to read your rants).

        You said: “If you have a an issue with Butch, take it up with Butch, if you think M&E is so bad go check them out but puting the two together is no different then blaming the friends and family of a drug addict or drunk.
        I guess you’ve never watched “Intervention”. You have NO idea how much the family and friends enable addicts. You’ve obviously never been through it yourself.
        Really shitty analogy buddy.

        Good night.
        Comment all you want. You’re approved now. So you can ramble away all night long. See you tomorrow. I need some sleep because I have to get up really early so I can care for my horses before I head off to work. Again.

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  • leslie says:

    This article is slander at its worst. I hope these people sue your ass off because you definately deserve it. You are a psycho who needs to mind your own business!

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  • Shelley says:

    I think that some people are losing site of the main issue in this story and just want to bash Not A Breed for writing it. There are some horses out there that need help and the OSPCA has done nothing to help them and I’m not just talking about the blind mare. What about the ones that remain at that Ken guy’s place? Maybe if more people would phone and speak up then the OSPCA would do something. Anyone willing to put pressure on the OSPCA can easily call 1-888-668-7722 ext 313 and tell them to please help these horses! You don’t even have to leave your name.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      ^^ Yes, please call and apply some pressure to get those horses out of the situation they’re in. ALL of them at BOTH places. I hate thinking about the poor blind mare (not to mention the one-eyed mare) where they are. And the ones at Kens will just slowly starve… There IS no food for them in my understanding. :(

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  • Moira says:

    I have only skimmed through this garbolligoop (and that is my opinion). I have a few issues with your original post. Half of it is fact twisted to make you point and the other half prove it that it is true. The only date you have posted was in 2002. you mentioned a conviction but what exactly was the convition? If the problem was not corrected then they wouldn’t be in business any more. The government, the board of health and I am sure there are a half a dozen other organizations that will make sure they keep Butch running on the up and up. Hence why he had a problem in court and why he probably lost his licence in the first place. Besides if you are trying to “Educate” people that should be done with facts not with hear say and twisted truths just to prove your point.

    You have to realize that you are talking about people (not Leopards), Leopards can’t change their spots because they act on instinct. People can learn and correct past mistakes. I am sure there are plenty of things that each and everyone in this world has done in the past that they have learned from, changed behaviors and or actions to become better people. They teach history in school for us to learn from. People are capable of change if we weren’t we wouldn’t be where we are not.

    About the rescue farm. I do you have proof that they do this sort of thing? I am sure I could drive out to the farm get the binder of “sold” horses and call each person up who are in that binder and have them Join your blog. Yes there are times when horses have come back because they mislead us as to what they were looking for in a horse or their ability and experience is with horses. I know for a fact that the picture that you are painting of these people is completely false and not 1 horse has gone from the Farm to market. Plenty have come from the market to our farm.

    It is interesting how you clam to have sources for this that ant the other thing but how well can you (or we trust) the source that claims horses were traded for moldy hay? First a horse will not eat moldy hay would you eat food with mold on it? So big deal about the moldy hay it would be thrown out. Why are you not listing your sources? Why are you not providing proof of what you say?

    Now I have been a volunteer at the vary farm you are talking about and have been for quiet some time and as it stands there are a number of volunteers working there tirelessly with the horses, and every one of them will tell you that Elaine and Mel work the hardest to rehabilitating, grooming, training, ect the horses that arrive. They would never ship a horse to market.

    When it comes to contract, home checks, reference checks and applications, I am not sure what more you are wanting. SPCA doesn’t even do contracts because they do not hold water in a court of law unless you get them note-riced with a court seal do you expect us to get the courts to sign every horse sale? References have been gotten a lot of time we talk to them face to face actually People lie, do you expect us to hook them up to lie detectors? What you are expecting of this small rescue farm sounds a bit far fetched all because you are on a witch hunt.

    I could continue going on but I honestly don’t think anything I say would change your mind. Just if you want to educate people about something start with educating yourself before you step in the load of manure you are spreading.

    As a final foot note. The 2 blind horses are perfectly fine and are not or were not in foal and I got that info straight from the vet that check them out as they were being checked. I do not know these other people that you are brow beating but as soon as we found out that this fellow had put a stud in the same field as the blind mares we went over and picked up all the horses he had there from us, We did not hesitate and he was given his Money back (which the SPCA does not do if they make the a mistake in placement). As for the Missing horse I am pretty sure you are referring to Frosty (who is not a Percheron), She has been adopted to a loving family in the Mitchel area.

    So before your next witch hunt you call Educating the public make sure you yourself are educated by facts, not hear say from people who are looking for a good linching because of something they may have heard through the grape vine and by the time you get through this I am sure that you will be mature and tell me to suck it to. My teenagers say that. when they know they are wrong and don’t want to admit that they are.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Considering you freely admit to “skimming” my post, I don’t see HOW you could write SUCH a long “response” to it!

      You: “The government, the board of health and I am sure there are a half a dozen other organizations that will make sure they keep Butch running on the up and up. Hence why he had a problem in court and why he probably lost his licence in the first place.
      Shit girl. Just google him or his company. There are pages and pages worth of news articles. I’m not going to post every single ONE of them. Do your own research. I did mine, and I felt completely comfortable saying what I did about him. Did you completely MISS the fact that he lost his license FIVE fucking TIMES? Wow. Yeah. There’s some government oversight!

      Nothing I posted about Butch Clare was fabricated or twisted. It was all FACT. If you want to defend this guy, well, that shows exactly what kind of person you are. I hope you ate some of that meat that was recalled.

      And if you want to fight my analogy with fact (about a leopard not changing his spots), you might want to actually use FACT to fight with. A leopard can’t change its spots because they’re part of his genetic makeup, indicating his COAT colors, not “Leopards can’t change their spots because they act on instinct.” Wow.

      And go ahead. Get the “binder”. Have them all join. I’d love to hear what they all have to say. Like the gal who found out her adopted horse had navicular. Or any of the other stories I’ve come across. Yep. Go right ahead!

      Yes there are times when horses have come back because they mislead us as to what they were looking for in a horse or their ability and experience is with horses.” Yeah, it’s never M&Es fault! Never never never!

      …to our farm…” Yeah, I knew it was you. I love how the rest of your comment you vacillate between “my/our” and “their/her”.

      First a horse will not eat moldy hay would you eat food with mold on it?” Well, my friend, I would eat moldy food if I was hungry enough! Duuh.

      Why are you not listing your sources? Why are you not providing proof of what you say?” Well, I actually did list proof of much of what I said. I can provide proof to any lawyer who wants to see the rest of it. Do you think I’d write it if I couldn’t prove it? I didn’t post what proof I had of the emails and such, because I don’t want to compromise my sources. If and when a subpoena shows up at my door… well, then I’ll provide that proof. And not a moment sooner. Certainly not because YOU demand it.

      When it comes to contract, home checks, reference checks and applications, I am not sure what more you are wanting.” How about ANY of those things????? That would be a start!!

      SPCA doesn’t even do contracts because they do not hold water in a court of law unless you get them note-riced with a court seal do you expect us to get the courts to sign every horse sale? References have been gotten a lot of time we talk to them face to face actually People lie, do you expect us to hook them up to lie detectors? What you are expecting of this small rescue farm sounds a bit far fetched all because you are on a witch hunt.” Verbal contracts have been held up in a court of law. So what makes you think a signed one wouldn’t? Not only that, but there are VERY few meat buyers out there that would sign their name to any sort of contract. See, if you get their ID, they’d have to sign their real name. No meat buyer would do that. They could photocopy their ID, have them sign the photocopy. I don’t expect you to hook up people to a lie detector… but if you do ALL of it; check references, sign contracts, do home checks, etc.,… you’re MUCH less likely to have issues. See, fucktards that don’t care about horses are rarely willing to jump through the hoops necessary to adopt a horse from a reputable rescue. Therefore, you have less fucktards TRYING to adopt horses from reputable rescues. Ah, but I’m sure you don’t see the logic in that one, right?

      …but as soon as we found out that this fellow had put a stud in the same field as the blind mares we went over and picked up all the horses he had there from us…” Wow. Now, that’s a bald-faced lie. I am personally in possession of an email FROM M&E showing that they KNEW the mares were in with studs, and LEFT THEM THERE.
      Fuck. How can I make it more clear for you?
      Maybe it’s time for YOU to take the rose-coloured glasses off!
      Oh, and “…and he was given his Money back…“??? I thought it wasn’t POLICY to pay people back for horses that were being “returned”???

      Again, for someone who just “skimmed” the post, I can’t believe you wrote SUCH a long response. Wow. Maybe you and your cohorts should actually READ what I wrote before writing long, rambling, grammatically incorrect and completely fabricated “responses”.

      PS: I don’t think I’ve ever used the term “suck it”.

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      • Sue says:

        Why does Eugene piss you off so much? Is it because he knows more about this farm than you? Go visit!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop writing crap about googled articles.
        Stick to stopping slaughter houses. not bashing a farm who is trying to help.
        If you mother murdered someone doesn’t mean you’re guilty too!!!!!!!!

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  • Moira says:

    Lol, Me and my Cohorts? Ahhhh!!!!!! Now I have just become a part of your fantasy Consperacy!

    I am glad you proved my point about attempting to pick apart what I had to say, you may not have told me to suck it like you did to Eugene but you immaturity is definitely showing through with your name calling (for example your “are you stupid” comment) and the use of swear words. I could play the same game as you and pick apart the sections of what you picked apart but I am not about to cause this isn’t worth it. The only thing that Butch Claire and M & E Rescue have in common is that some of the horses are on the property of Butch and Elaine’s home.

    I will ad that the only reason why I use “Leopards can’t change their spots because they act on instinct.” I was just using the same context that you were using in the first place so twisting what I said to meet the requirements of making your point, attempting to make me look foolish and you feel better about yourself actually proves my point about twisting truths to fit with your convenient little conspiracy theory that in fact is completely false.

    If you have an issue with Butch Claire then have your issue with him stop making false accusations about M & E Rescue. Let the agencies that are involved with the slaughter house do their jobs that is what they are there for or are they are apart of this big conspiracy that you have conveniently come up with?

    Ok I am just trying to keep this straight not your consperacy now Involves Butch, Elaine, Ken, April, The SPCA, the government , the health board, myself and my cohorts….. the list just keeps growing all because we are telling you that what you are saying about M&E Rescue is not true.

    Here is the section that you told Eugene to suck it.

    “And BTW Eugene, the reason I know the two mares are in foal… is from the OSPCA emails I’m in possession of. So stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it!”

    Real Mature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Not A Breed says:

    I used “you and your cohorts” regarding the few people on here defending Butch and Elaine – not implying you were part of the so-called “conspiracy” (<– your words, not mine).

    I only started swearing at Eugene because he started out swearing at me. And I quote: “…what the fuck is wrong with you? Maybe this is a case of “fucked up telephone…

    I do curse. So what? Because I curse that makes me immature? At least I can spell. What about Eugene? Isn’t “he” immature? Or is it ok that he started the cursing because he’s on “your side”?

    As for the leopard/spots comment, the only reason I made mention of it is because you were being all high and mighty with your “You have to realize that you are talking about people (not Leopards), Leopards can’t change their spots because they act on instinct.

    I’m not twisting truths. I’m reporting facts that are either from news articles, or facts culled from the numerous emails I’m in possession of. End of story.

    You say: “Let the agencies that are involved with the slaughter house do their jobs that is what they are there for or are they are apart of this big conspiracy that you have conveniently come up with?“… But you conveniently forget about the facts of the cases against Butch. If you want to ignore those facts, go ahead. But nowhere do I say there’s a conspiracy between all those factions. Now you’re just making stuff up. Good try though. You really do like to muddy the waters. I have to say that this is something I’ve seen over and over again with people that really can’t back up what they’re saying with FACT. They need to muddy the waters…

    And I don’t think you want to argue with me about maturity…

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  • Eugene Arsenault says:

    I said I wouldn’t post anymore but here it is straight from the horse’s mouth:

    Mel Bennett- The M in M&E Rescue

    The Truth About Player One:

    Butch Clare:

    The facts you have about the charges toward Butch and his company is correct. They were never a secret. It made National News. Anybody who googles it is able to read about it. We at M&E were not denying these facts. If you don’t ask the information was not volunteered because he does not have an invested interest in M&E Recue.

    What you, notabreed, didn’t write about Butch was that he countersued against the federal government, which will probably be settled out of court because they don’t want to show that they fucked up. Why didn’t you mention that Notabreed?

    Yes Butch, up until five years ago, did ship horses for meat. That is why the rescue was started because we saw how many good horses were going along with the other horses to slaughter. I started going through the feed lot and picking out the good horses and trying to find them good homes. That is how the rescue got started. Since then Butch has stopped shipping horses for meat.

    The Truth About Player Three:

    Ken Milton:

    I have only known Ken for about five years. In that time I have never seen any mistreatment of animals. His chickens, pigs and dog are well taken care of, from what I can see. I am not going to make a statement about his firearms charge or his treatment of animals when he was into cattle because I don’t know anything about that.

    Ken did not trade moldy hay for Ginger. He brought moldy hay over for the feed lot because he doesn’t have cattle anymore. At this time he told us that we could bring some horses over to graze on his pasture because he has no livestock and about ten acres of some of the best pasture around, and yes his fencing is shit but neither of our horses ever escaped. I brought these horses over because this was a good opportunity for these horses, which we have had for a long time, to go out on pasture. At our place there isn’t much pasture because the grass never gets a chance to regrow, since there are always horses there. Everyone wants to rescue a horse, but no one wants the blind or one eyed horse, they want the perfect horse. Those horses get to go to their new homes with grass but Ginger doesn’t get the chance to go to a green pasture and graze.

    Ken being the character that he is may have told someone that he traded moldy hay for Ginger. I’m not going to dispute that because he may have said that, but that was not the case.

    While our horses were there, they did not bother the fence because they were too busy grazing. We checked on them a couple times a week and were still under our supervision. Ken was nothing more than a babysitter. These horses were never going to stay there permanently as there is not shelter for the horses to go under during the winter season. Any idiot who has been to Ken can see that the barns are falling into each other and are not safe. Therefore, our horses were going to come home in the fall when the grass was gone.

    The Truth About Player Four:

    April Hussey:

    Ken said that there was a girl going through a tough time, as she had been in a bad car accident. He said she needed a place to keep her horse (singular). Well she did bring the one horse, but a couple of days later she brought the rest of the crew, three horses, one yearling and one mini. Nobody told me that additional horses were being added. Ken did tell me one horse was coming to share the field. I think Ken felt bad for April because she had to be out of where she was, so he took in the rest of her horses.

    Below is an e-mail I received from Debbie expressing her concerns about the horses at Ken’s. When I receive this email I was not away that all the horses had been added. As you will see in this email the story has already been stretched way out of proportion.

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    Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:35:32 -0700
    From: pbauman@rogers.com
    Subject: re: a horse that needs help
    To: melonthefarm@hotmail.com

    Hi Mel,
    How are you?

    I wanted to let you know something confidentially about a horse in a bad situation, and perhaps you can help the mare..

    Yesterday afternoon, one of Paul’s farmer’s buddies, was telling him of a sad situation about a mare that might have come from your farm..a blind mare..that is at a farm, close to where I live, and it is on the 3rd or 4th concession, near Gobles.

    This irresponsible farmer’s name is Ken? and neither one of us know him, but he sounds like the kind of person that should never have an animal in his care, because he has the blind mare in the same field with 3-4 stallions, and the mare is in pretty rough shape because of this. She has no hay or water, and I guess these stallions are after her all the time.

    These stallions were loose yesterday running down the road, and got into the neighbours mares, and there was a big ruckus getting these stallions back.

    I feel pretty upset about this poor mare, Mel, and if you know anything about the mare, could you check into it, and help her?

    Thanks Mel,
    Keep me posted, please,
    Debbie

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    From: Melanie Bennett melonthefarm@hotmail.com
    To: deb baumann pokey pbauman@rogers.com
    Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:43:26 PM
    Subject: RE: a horse that needs help

    yes he has our horse ginger she is blind and one of our other horses he is looking after that has one eye out they are in a huge grass pasture with a big black gelding and a yearling who yes is not cut but they arent down yet. he has lots of grass and they have water his fence isnt very good and maybe the ones that see did get out and ginger and rolley followed. i will go check on them but he is not a bad guy and the horses over there are as fat as butter he has one of the lushest pastures around. Mel

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    Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:45:31 -0700
    From: pbauman@rogers.com
    Subject: Re: thank-you
    To: melonthefarm@hotmail.com

    Hi Mel,
    Thanks for looking into it Mel..perhaps the story was stretched a bit..
    Take care,
    Debbie

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    From: melonthefarm@hotmail.com
    To: pbauman@rogers.com
    Subject: RE: thank-you
    Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:51:00 -0300

    yes a quite a bit. first 2 pics are of ginger as you can see she is not marked up and good weight. 3rd is a hanoverian gelding. 4th is our horse Rolly that just there to eat grass and keep ginger company before the others came so she wouldnt be alone. 5th this little mini is a stallion. 6th is a quarter horse yearling stud colt nuts are almost down. 7th is perch X mare. 8th is tb gelding. as you can see they are all very fat shiny happy and healthy they have a big round bale in the feeder wich they arent touching as there is still alot of grass to eat they have a big water trough. the girl that owns the other 4 horses and the mini just had a bad car accident and is down on her luck ken is helping her out and we are taking 2 of her horses and will have the yearling gelded just as soon as she saves up some money. but nobody is mounting the blind horse or running her around. so if you could pass that along the grapevine that would be great ken is a little backward but a nice guy that lets some of our skinny horses over to eat his pasture and we are very gratefull and will be helping him put up a couple of strands of electric. the mini just went under as he could hear the neighbors horses and the little colt followed

    (for pictures please visit our facebook page as pictures could not be posted as a comment)
    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150442168414501.382489.210250089500&type=1

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    Now the stud we are all concerned about is a not quite a year and a half old quarter horse stud colt. His testicles have not descended all the way down yet. He’s a baby not a raging full blown stallion as this article makes it seem. The other stud, is a mini stallion. We are not talking about raging studs here. Below are their pictures.

    -Yearling Stud, with testicles that haven’t dropped & Terrifying Mini Stud-
    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150442168414501.382489.210250089500&type=1

    At this point the mares had already been exposed to the stallion for a couple days now, so they were going to have to be arm checked regardless. You have three months to do this. The horses had sufficient amount of hay, water and lots of grass, which as you can see I informed Debbie of. I did not hurry and remove the horses because they were already exposed and there was no fighting among horses. After seeing April had more horses than she can handle, I called her and spoke to her about having the vet, when he got back from his vacation in Florida, geld her two studs while he was checking ours for pregnancy. I suggested this because our vet is mobile and yes he is cheaper than calling Paris. We offered her our farrier to trim her horses’ feet. Most of her horses were okay, but we were very concerned about the grey Percheron because her feet had not been trimmed in years. The other were a bit over due, but I wouldn’t say they were bad. She agreed and said that would be great but never came through with the money.

    At this time she said both grey horses were not hers and were left by friends in her care, and never came to pick them up. She said that she would just like them to go to a good home. So I said okay I will try to find them a good home because she knew the grey percheron needed extra foot care and the grey thoroughbred gelding has stringhalt. So I found someone to take the grey percheron, she came to meet the horse but we couldn’t get a hold of April. April’s cell phone does not work in Drumbo, her voicemail is full, she doesn’t have a car and she had not been out to see her horses in two weeks. I called the bar that she works at and she answered but she said she was busy and would call me back, but she never did. At this time, after many failed attempts, I made a judgment call for the benefit of the horse, and sent it with the person I have found, her new loving home. We did leave a message with Ken that we found a new home for the horse and she could contact the lady and go see it.

    April did not show up to check on any of the horses for about five days. During this time Tony and Gerhardt approached April (they tracked her down, went and talk to her boss and the bar, went and talked to her superintendent at her apartment) to take the percheron and April said go ahead, not realizing that the horse had already been rehomed. Gerhardt said he had heard that the percheron was on a Butch Clare trailer heading to Kitchener, he did not disclose who told him that. I delivered the percheron to its new home with my truck and trailer. I gave Gerhardt the new owners name and number and told him that if he paid for the farrier, and wormer, he could probably get the horse because I felt bad that April told him he could have the horse. He said as long as it is in a good home then that’s fine. When I finally was able to get in touch with April she was not upset with my decision.

    The Truth About Player Five:

    Notabreed:

    When I emailed your source the picture of the Percheron’s feet, I sent a before and after shot. I know this because I went out there and physically took the pictures with my camera. Now I don’t know if you only received the before picture or if you choose not to display the after.

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150442168414501.382489.210250089500&type=1

    Whatever you say about us at M&E Rescue, we will all get over it, we will be okay. But what you did to April that shows what kind of person you are. That has nothing to do with her horses. If you want to say she is a bad horse owner that one thing, but attacking her private life is completely uncalled for and is downright cruel. Especially since you DO NOT have all the facts.

    Our vet returned from his vacation, the grass was gone, we brought the mares back, and unfortunately April did not get her horses gelded. Our vet arm checked Ginger and Rolly and neither were pregnant. His name is John Chandler; he is a mobile vet in Paris, Ontario, if you would like to get a hold of him. The OSPCA did not preg check Ginger and Rolly or have any concern with our two mares. They also did not fine any one. The percheron was off the property, shoed and in her new home before the OSPCA were even called. If you would like to contact the OSPCA officer in charge, her name is Rebecca Tanti and her number is 905-898-7122 ext. 313.

    In conclusion:

    After all this bullshit and bickering, if anyone cares about the horses still, we did succeed in finding a new owner for the other grey gelding April did not want, she is currently in the process of working things out with April. Who has removed the remaining three horses she is keeping from Ken’s property.

    Now, all of us at M&E Rescue are going to go back to work, and continue helping horses in need and try to find them loving homes. We are all after the same goal, the welfare of horses.

    -The “Missing” Grey Percheron Mare, in her new home-
    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150442168414501.382489.210250089500&type=1

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    • Not A Breed says:

      First off, “Eugene”, I always suspected you were a little more involved with M&E than you purported to be. Thanks for pretty-much confirming my suspicions.
      Secondly, I am wondering why these are the first photos put up on the M&E Facebook page in over a year? Why is this avenue not being pursued more vigorously to help with the “adoption” of horses??

      What you, notabreed, didn’t write about Butch was that he countersued against the federal government, which will probably be settled out of court because they don’t want to show that they fucked up. Why didn’t you mention that Notabreed?

      Drop a link to a story covering that, and it’ll be on here. I haven’t seen anything about it, so how could I post it? There were SO many articles about Butch, it was impossible to read them all. So yeah, post a link…

      Ken Milton:

      I have only known Ken for about five years. In that time I have never seen any mistreatment of animals. His chickens, pigs and dog are well taken care of, from what I can see. I am not going to make a statement about his firearms charge or his treatment of animals when he was into cattle because I don’t know anything about that.

      What about the horses and cows he let starve three years ago, and then just hauled out to the bush with his tractor? If you’ve known him five years, you’d have to know about this… others seem to!

      Ken did not trade moldy hay for Ginger…
      I have heard this from several sources, and I even have an email to prove it. So, sorry, not buying that one.

      …and yes his fencing is shit but neither of our horses ever escaped…
      Again, I have emails to prove otherwise.

      Everyone wants to rescue a horse, but no one wants the blind or one eyed horse, they want the perfect horse.
      Really? Because I took in a blind horse… Yes they’re harder to place, because they have special needs, but blind horses are the BEST. And other people DO know this!

      Ken being the character that he is may have told someone that he traded moldy hay for Ginger. I’m not going to dispute that because he may have said that, but that was not the case.
      Wow. Really? So now you’re saying that Ken would lie about it? Well, honestly, considering the characters in this particular story, that wouldn’t surprise me… but it doesn’t really make any sense. Seriously?

      These horses were never going to stay there permanently as there is not shelter for the horses to go under during the winter season.
      Well, at least you admit there was no shelter… You do realize that horses should have shelter in summer too, right? Shelter from the heat, bugs, rain, etc?

      Any idiot who has been to Ken can see that the barns are falling into each other and are not safe. Therefore, our horses were going to come home in the fall when the grass was gone.
      And yes, the OSPCA are apparently idiots, since they ordered the horses into the barn so they were out of the rain!

      The Truth About Player Four:

      Below is an e-mail I received from Debbie expressing her concerns about the horses at Ken’s. When I receive this email I was not away that all the horses had been added. As you will see in this email the story has already been stretched way out of proportion.
      I’ve already seen this email, through several people. Just because the writer is a little sheepish, doesn’t mean the story actually HAS been stretched out of proportion.
      The biggest thing I noticed was that M&E were fully aware that a blind mare and a one-eyed mare were in a pasture with studs.

      PS: you do realize that just because a colts testicles haven’t descended doesn’t mean that they’re not fertile, right??
      Oh, and you do realize that it is not that uncommon for a pony to impregnate a full-sized mare, right?

      6th is a quarter horse yearling stud colt nuts are almost down.”

      And I’m sorry, but not in a single one of those photos did I see “a big round bale in the feeder“. Where is THAT photo? Where is the water trough? Why are you waiting for someone else to geld horses when they’re in with your mares? YOU should move those mares! You admit you checked on them “a couple times a week“, yet you’re sure they’re not being mounted?

      -Yearling Stud, with testicles that haven’t dropped & Terrifying Mini Stud-
      http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150442168414501.382489.210250089500&type=1
      PS: this photo in no way shows the horse has undescended testicles. Not that whether or not they’re descended really makes a difference.

      There was a lot of stuff here, that I’ll try to address later, it’s late and I’m tired.
      I did, however, want to address the following quickly:

      “When I emailed your source the picture of the Percheron’s feet, I sent a before and after shot. I know this because I went out there and physically took the pictures with my camera. Now I don’t know if you only received the before picture or if you choose not to display the after.”
      I only received the ‘before’ photo. I did just receive the ‘after’ photo today from a second source (other than yourself).

      Whatever you say about us at M&E Rescue, we will all get over it, we will be okay. But what you did to April that shows what kind of person you are. That has nothing to do with her horses. If you want to say she is a bad horse owner that one thing, but attacking her private life is completely uncalled for and is downright cruel. Especially since you DO NOT have all the facts.”
      Say what you will about me, I don’t care. A lot of the things this April girl has done, and is doing, are reprehensible. AND she is a bad horse owner on top of it. Neglecting ‘the rest of the story’ is like saying someone’s past and PRESENT have nothing to do with this one little thing they did wrong. I’m sorry. But maybe if ALL of the crap was YEARS and YEARS ago, it wouldn’t be relevant. But considering this is all going on simultaneously, that makes it relevant.

      Our vet returned from his vacation, the grass was gone, we brought the mares back, and unfortunately April did not get her horses gelded. Our vet arm checked Ginger and Rolly and neither were pregnant. His name is John Chandler; he is a mobile vet in Paris, Ontario, if you would like to get a hold of him. The OSPCA did not preg check Ginger and Rolly or have any concern with our two mares. They also did not fine any one. The percheron was off the property, shoed and in her new home before the OSPCA were even called. If you would like to contact the OSPCA officer in charge, her name is Rebecca Tanti and her number is 905-898-7122 ext. 313.

      I will contact the vet. As for Rebecca, I’ve seen some of her emails. And according to her, she says the two mares are in foal.

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  • Eugene Arsenault says:

    Why exactly did you leave out one of the Key Players?

    From Mel Bennett:

    Re: “Pregnancy”:
    I’d like you to check that out! I would have told you if they were pregnant. If they were, the vet would have just pinched the baby off (which as I said you have three months to do). The OSPCA officer is not a vet! They are not qualified to do a reach inside or preform an ultrasound to see if they are pregnant. Obviously the stud was not potent yet, as he was too young and non of the mares in the field got pregnant. If he was in our care he would have been gelded. Mares may come into our rescue pregnant but they are not impregnated here.

    Re: April:
    If you could please take the part about April and the miscarriage off, that would be very appreciated. She has a family and little girl that do not need to read or re-live that. Your story is sensational enough without it.

    Re: Facebook page:
    This used to be updated by a volunteer, who is now chronically ill and I am not very tech savvy to do it myself, as no one showed me how once she got sick. Less than 10% of the new owners come from Facebook, they are mostly from kijiji. We need someone like you is tech savvy and has all this time on their hands. However, the job has been passed onto someone who is capable of doing this, so be rest assured it will be updated.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Sorry, not sure what “key player” you’re referring to Mel.

      Re April: I understand your request, and I will consider it. I do think it goes to show what kind of character she has though, so I’ll really have to think about that one.

      Re Facebook page: Well, you certainly seemed capable of posting pictures in response to this blog. Nice little jab “has all this time on their hands”, it didn’t go unnoticed. I actually (em)don’t have a lot of time, but I MAKE time for things I think are important. Apparently utilizing Facebook (which, by the way, grows as you use it, people ‘share’ horses up for adoption, so the horses have even more of a chance of being adopted) wasn’t that important to you until you felt the need to respond.

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      • Sara says:

        I posted the pictures on the FB page, because Mel doesn’t how. She knows kijiji, and writing and replying to emails. That is the most of her technological capabilities. I asked her to copy and paste something today and I had to explain how over the phone. So theres not need to fault her for not being a digital native and having better things to do than sit in front of the computer trying to figure it out.

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      • Amy says:

        By posting what you have about April Hussey only shows YOUR character or lack thereof and by not removing the garbage or should I call it slander that you have posted with respect to April shows you have no heart for a little girl that some day may happen upon your blog just by simply googling her mother’s name, as I just did. As a past very close friend of April’s I request that you remove any reference to her personal life it serves no purpose to your blog whether you think so or not. I am an individual that has a past with the child and a love for her beyond anything. It is with a very sad heart that I had to make a choice to distance myself from April one that haunts me to this day because with that choice meant I had to also distance myself from her daughter but it was my choice just as anything April has done is her choice. Her daughter is a very young child and has done nothing. She did not choose who her mother is or what her mother has done in her life. She is innocent, allow her to be just that, innocent. You strip her of her innocence by allowing this trash to remain on this thing you call a blog. Have some decency, do the right thing and remove the personal parts of your blog so that some day when that child is old enough to use a computer and curious enough to google her mom you don’t destroy her innocence. You have the choice now make the right one. AND FYI…if you need proof of my closeness with April it was MY car she crashed…

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        • Not A Breed says:

          Just an FYI, there was LOTS I left out about April, for the exact reason you’re requesting I remove what little I DID include!!

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          • Amy says:

            I know there is a lot left out of your story about April. For example how she has a heart of gold and would do anything for another human being or animal for that matter. Or how about how she left an abusive relationship with nothing but her daughter and struggled to make a good life for her because the father was a deadbeat at the time. But day in and day out April took care of her child and went to work be it in a bar or cleaning houses or whatever it may be. April lived for that child and I am sure still does and she lived for those horses and all her animals. Were you there every night when she gave them hay or put water out for them or tended to them, cleaned their stalls, brushed them, gave them medicine literally up all hours of the night ensuring the horses were taken of? No you weren’t…guess what I was, I saw it, I lived it for YEARS prior to April being very down on her luck which happens to be when your lil blog bashing her was posted. Again WHO ARE YOU TO EXPOSE HER!?! So she went down the wrong path you could have simply said that but you didn’t. What you fail to see or even consider is the fact that you think it is ok to air out someone else’s dirty laundry when it is not your dirty laundry to air out. That’s what you call “kicking a horse while it’s down”. Say what you want about April and her treatment of horses at that exact moment in her life, it was a moment, a bad moment that you preyed on. It doesn’t define who or what she is as a person. All I see reading your blog is a person filled with hate using what little information (which is very incorrect or inaccurate for the record) to make your point about horses. So from what I get out of this blog is that it is not ok to treat horses inhumanly but it is ok to bash our fellow humans all based on misconceptions, misinterpretations, miscommunications, misinformation? You could have easily left out all the personal bits about April and still made your point about the horses END OF STORY. Again you chose to say those things about her only to make her look REALLY REALLY bad to your followers. And here you sit hiding behind your blog ‘Not A Breed’ ha Not A ‘HUMAN’ Breed is what you should call yourself – Amy Lo Bosco (former bestfriend of April Hussey)

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  • Anonymous says:

    Anyone see this link?
    http://florapinestables.webs.com/apps/blog/show/1802444-m-e-rescue-farm

    Really notabreed, do you not have bigger fish to fry? Sure they may not have the best adoption program out there, but they are two ladies doing the best that they can without any government assistance or donations. They do not have the funds to hire employees to fill all these positions. It is TWO ladies and a handful (5 or so) of volunteers, who have jobs, school and lives. So, leave this small organization alone. I’m sure there are bigger issues out there, they are just trying to help and no horses and intentionally being hurt.

    If all of you care SO much about these horses, i hear there is a blind mare and a one eyed mare needing to be adopted!!!!!!!

    Please contact Mel Bennett @ melonthefarm@hotmail.com

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    • bystander says:

      Well said!

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    • neverumind says:

      Correct me if Im wrong but in your statement you just said
      “they are two ladies doing the best that they can without any government assistance or donations”

      Now if you look on the M&E Website, you will see on the left hand side that it says Help Us Out, and if you click on that, this is what you will find.

      M&E Rescue is privately funded, and you can imagine that it is not inexpensive to keep a farm like this running. For this reason, we are asking anyone who could, to support us with a monetary donation. We cannot give you a receipt, but feel that the good feeling you get when you help these beautiful animals, will be reward enough. If you wish, you may send us a cheque or use the CHIPIN WIDGET to the right. Thank you!

      Now, the link you posted in your comment “Anonymous” also says,

      Melanie and Elaine are a private facility, and the money that enables them to care for their rescues comes from their own pockets and the sale of horses after rehabilitation and training. BUT in the paragraph right below that they go on to ask you to stop by their website and donate money, time, blankets and the list goes on??

      Oh and of course, last but Im sure not least, after telling you how Elaine and Mel are “Angels” and the definition of RAK (Random Act of Kindness) they left enough room to say, and hey, don’t forget to check out their Horses looking for Forever Homes??? Like wtf is that?

      So tell me one last time so I have it right, Mel and Elaine pay for all of this “out of their own pockets” right? They don’t get any financial help from anyone right?

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      • neverumind says:

        Maybe they get away with fooling people like you into believing that they pay for everything out of their own pockets because they know that nobody could ever prove them wrong since M&E can’t give you a receipt for your donations.
        Im guessing if you took a poll that you wouldn’t find 1 receipt for a donation but you would find a hell of alot of people with that good feeling you get when you help those beautiful animals, cuz that should be reward enough, right?

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        • renee says:

          How exacltyu is it lawful to sell horses for the prices they do ~ “$1500, $1800, $1600 , $2200 ” and higher without issuing any receipts?

          Isn’t that a business whether or not M&E wishes to call it so?

          If they want to care for horses and ‘rescue’ them from slaughter, be it Butch’s trucks some other out of the kindness of their own hearts and pockets, call it private or what you want, fine. But the minute the start SELLING horses it’s business, and they are accountable to declare income.

          No?

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      • None of your business says:

        Yeah they pay out of ther own pockets so no shit their asking for donation you dumb ass!

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        • Not A Breed says:

          BTW, instead of creating two names (using the same email address) to comment, maybe you should learn how blogs work, and that I can see all that info (Ashley). :)
          God I love newbies.

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  • Bystander says:

    Now that was a long read!
    First of all, I must point out, this is the internet… what people need to understand is that Everybody has access to… say a blog, so it would be unwise to think no one is going to disagree, let alone reply with their view. and that goes for any topic. everyone has the ability to Post a blog (or post on fb) {some call it freedom of speech} But what 90% of people forget is the people reading that post ALSO has that same “freedom of speech”

    moving right on….
    All “”facts”” anyone has listed on this page would be questionable at best. We ARE in fact all human. AND as humans we all cover our butts. it does not matter who you are, if you are backed into a corner, you will cover your own butt first. In todays day and age, you cannot fully fall back on “Emails” cause guess what, a young child could fake a email. And 100% of people will say things differently over the internet then in person. a proven fact.
    And anyone can fake a photo
    anyone can take a video!
    its so easy to do that. and make it look real. I know kids younger then ten that can do that now. as we all have the access to programs that make it foolproof to do all kinds of editing.

    I have been to this farm.
    I liked the farm and how it was laid out. I am friends with a girl who works there everyonce in a while.
    when I was there, the people were nice and you could tell they loved their animals.
    There are two sides to very story.
    I rather like to hear both sides before jumping on any band wagon.

    I’ve been around many different horse circles, most stories that pop up in the horse world are mostly, he said she said things and full of over the top drama.
    I have a filly that I saved the day before going to slaughter. She is the best three year old I have ever worked with. and yet someone for some reason shipped her where she would head to slaughter.
    I have worked with horses that got sold and resold and resold then before I could get to them, sold on a one way ticket. not much for a horse people hurts like being so close to save a horse you love only to be a little bit too late.

    With this Tangled web, I would be one that would like to see with my own eyes rock solid, black and white facts to prove what people are saying here.

    I was treated very nice as a stranger at the rescue, when we went riding they made sure to find tack that FITTED that said horse. which not many people do anymore. people will just want to get on and ride so they just throw any saddle on just with a thick or thin pad to adjust the fit of the saddle… :|
    with that experience alone I would need to see some solid, eye witness proof that this is going on at the rescue.
    from a third party looking in, looks like a lot of he said she said going on and some past bad blood?
    and a lot of confusion

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    • Not A Breed says:

      If someone comes here and disagrees with what I’ve said… Fine. But I have the right, or “freedom of speech” to respond. :)
      Yep, shit is faked all over the Internet every day. But I’ve also received the same information, as well as the same EMAILs from several different sources. That tends to make me want to believe it.

      Good to hear you had good experiences with M&E.
      Unfortunately, there are lots of “bad” stories out there too. And NOT just from my “sources”. Look around. They’re out there.

      As for there being two sides to every story, please note that some of the very people involved in this story, the so-called “players” have commented on here, using fake names. If they really want to defend themselves, they should just be open, honest, and forthright.

      Good horses are sent to slaughter every day. Horses that sold for $50,000 end up at slaughter. It’s very sad, but true. I do commend anyone who saves these horses from such a terrible fate. I don’t, however, commend anyone who then sends that horse into a life of neglect, starvation and abuse.

      I won’t post my sources, as I don’t need them facing retribution from any of the parties involved. Therefore I will not post their emails, as the people who sent them would know who they sent them to. Sorry. Isn’t it enough that a well-known criminal, a well known transporter of horses to slaughter, is part of this rescue?

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  • Darla Foster says:

    If you continue to write such libel, someone is going to sue you into next week… find something better to do than bashing others for which your fact are highly incorrect. Animals are property which means people are entitled to send them to anywhere they choose, further they may euthanize them if they so choose…get your facts straight!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Not A Breed says:

      You can only suspect my facts are incorrect (even in the face of the proof I do supply). I do have email proof, which does stand up in court. Your attitude that animals are property and that means people are entitled to send them to anywhere they choose… show’s your baser instincts, and I don’t need or want you commenting here. You suck. Go a.w.a.y.

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    • Anna says:

      What about selling property and not declaring income? Is that lawful? Since when does a handshake satisfy CRA?

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  • Moira says:

    Noteabreed when you last replied to my post you just continued to prove my point about how immature you are making yourself out to be….”

    Eg: “I only started swearing at Eugene because he started out swearing at me.”

    “I do curse. So what? Because I curse that makes me immature? At least I can spell. What about Eugene?”

    When I first wrote a post I did not call you any names, I didn’t swear at you but you sure responded with swearing and name calling. Btw what exactly is a Fucktard? nvm I it really doesn’t matter!

    I feel you are nothing but a bully looking to pick a fight and no matter how much explanations and proof Mel provides for your readers you will continue to argue that you are right. So what ever! I am through with this song and dance go find someone else to Bully, bad mouth and slander cause this is getting old.

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    • neverumind says:

      A Fucktard, is a fucking retard. I rather enjoy reading the posts on here everyday. I actually look forward to waking up and seeing what’s been posted thru the night. If youre bored with it or it’s “getting old” for you then maybe you should stop coming by to see what’s being said and find another site that floats your boat:)
      Just a suggestion fucktard!!!

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  • Not A Breed says:

    Wow. Suddenly there are photos of horses available for adoption from 2011!!
    At least something is changing for the better!

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  • Shelley says:

    I haven’t had a chance to update myself with this blog in several days and all I can say is ‘wow’. Is no one even reading Mel’s statements??? She readily admits that she placed those two blind mares at a farm where the fencing wasn’t safe, barns were not safe (falling down I believe she states) and there was no shelter. What kind of rescue does that? Then she contradicts herself when first she says that as soon as they found out that the studs were there they removed them. Then later she admits leaving them there with the studs figuring she had 3 months to do anything about an unwanted pregnancy. Do you not think that if there was an abortion required that it would be a lot easier on the mare if it was done as early as possible??? I wouldn’t leave a mare in that situation especially one that was blind! Bad enough that a blind one was left in an area with shitty fencing and had the potential of seriously hurting herself. Then Mel insists that she didn’t give this guy the horses and he was only ‘babysitting them’ while there was pasture. Later she states that when they picked up the horses –they gave him back his money. What money? If he didn’t buy the horses and they were there for pasture only– wouldn’t it have been the other way around??? Should you not have been paying him pasture board???? I don’t know Mel—doesn’t seem to me that you can keep your story straight…..I’m tending not to believe you. In reality, your defense went downhill as soon as you acknowledge how bad the conditions were at this farm and you still left horses there. Not good putting horses somewhere that they sound like they need rescuing from when you call yourself a rescue. Oh yeah, one more thing that bothers me. When talking about the Percheron…..you said you couldn’t get a hold of April so you made a ‘judgement call’ and took the horse because she needed help. I’m sorry, but what gives you that right? Just because you call yourself a rescue group doesn’t mean that you can go around taking whatever horses you might have an order for. (Oh yeah–I forgot you’re not Walmart although it says on your website that you can place an order and you will look for a horse to fit that order) I’m not sure but I think that might be called theft??? If you really thought the horse needed help (and by the sounds of it—they all did) then you should have done the proper thing and called the SPCA. Although it doesn’t sound like they did much in this case but they are the only ones that have the legal right to go and remove an animal from it’s owner. You don’t need to reply to this Mel as you have already lost your credentials with me!

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    • Sara says:

      When did Mel ever say “when they picked up the horses –they gave him back his money.”??? Moria said that and was mistaken, thinking of a different situation where M&E refunded the money for a horse, because under certain circumstances, M&E will refund your money back, fully or party. I asked Mel and to her knowledge they have not had a horse returned within 2-3 days where they did not refund their money back. She said if there is a situation where this did occur please give us the name of the horse and breed you are refuring to.

      Mel and April had a verbal agreement that she was able to re-home the horse. Therefore, she didn’t steal it, she was merely unable to inform her that the horse had been re-homed.

      Further more, Mel spoke to Rebecca from the OSPCA recently and she firmly denies putting information of that nature in an email. She also stated that there was no pregnancy check done by the OSPCA on the two blind mares. You may contact her and ask yourself. Her number is in an earlier post.

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      • Shelley says:

        Oh what? I said that I didn’t want to hear back from Mel so you are doing her dirty work for her? Anyways, it doesn’t matter who said what—-you guys can’t keep your stories straight from one post to the next and I’m pretty much done reading your bull****. People can come to their own conclusions but I do like how you avoid answering certain things such as placing those horses in an unsafe situation to begin with. And on a final note….what the hell are you coming at me about the SPCA for? I didn’t state anything regarding them and possible pregnancies. I said that if Mel felt like the Percheron wasn’t being properly cared for then the proper thing to do is to call the SPCA not take it upon herself to remove the horse! READ THE POST BEFORE DEFENDING YOURSELF!!!!! As I said before I am done trying to make sense of your bull. Post all you want Sarah—I’m not listening anymore!!!!

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  • doug says:

    Not A Breed you really should take some of your own advice.You don’t want people to make personal attacks but yet this blog is just full of attacks made by you.Very immature!

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  • Mark says:

    I have been reading this entire pile of crap and I need to understand what the real issue is here? What are you actually trying to resolve? It seems to be a personal attack, but I cant see why. I have seen a lot of horses that are in good homes right now (my 2 included), that would have been slaughtered if it weren’t Mel and Elaine.

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  • Drumbo citizen says:

    So true about Miss Hussey. You should meet the brother too. They are a mess!!!!. We’re is children’s Aid in all of these things??? Oh ya picking on other people but leave a child with this family would be the biggest mistake!!!! I just cant stop laughing at how true this is. Her parents must be so proud. In fact they moved from Drumbo probably couldn’t take the embasment any more.

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  • Burfordite says:

    a few fines won’t hurt him 1 bit. He’s worth millions

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  • Catherine Scott says:

    I knew Walter Clare, father of Butch Clare and he was a terrible human being doing all of the evil things you could ever imagine. Butch Clare learned all his activities from his father. Dead meat for human consumption, starvation of animals, you name it.

    My father was a cattle drover at the same time Walter was active and Butch was just getting started.

    Butch Clare and people like him should be put to death for their crimes. They make millions of illegal dollars and do not care for their fellow man. Fines mean absolutely nothing to these type of individuals.

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