Breeds that are Not a Breed

There are lots of cross breeds out there.  No matter how nice, cute, cuddly, strong, non-shedding (which is not actually true anyway) or whatever your horse or dog is, or the offspring of those animals, they are not breeds.  If you take two breed names and squish them together to form a new word, that does not make it a breed.  You can not, ever, have a “purebred Labradoodle”.  They are a MIX of LABRADOR and POODLE… therefore… um, it’s a fucking MUTT.  God these people piss me OFF.

And trust me, I’m sure this list will get loooong.  Oh, and “first generation hybrid” is a fucking CAR you morons!

Update:  as I’ve been reprimanded in the comment below, I will adjust that last line to read thusly:

Oh, and “first generation hybrid” is a term that can technically be used in the instance that a purebred dog is bred to a purebred dog of another breed.  Using the “first generation hybrid”  term is bullshit in my books, as generally people who use terms like this are actually trying to create a third breed or species under carefully managed circumstances with a scientific background and goal.  The people who are using this statement in advertisements to sell puppies are trying to make money and sound intelligent – but they are not actually trying to do anything other than make money and sound intelligent.

Horses

Arapaloosa

Buckskin

Paint

Palomino

Pinto

Quarab

Dogs

Buggle

Cockapoo

Goldendoodle

Labradoodle

Pretty much anything ending in “poo”, “uggle” or “doodle”

Puggle

Schnauzeranians

Schnoodle

Snorkie

There are so many, too many for me to bother listing.  So I’ll refer you to the following website, as they have quite an extensive list:  http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/hybriddogs.htm

 

 

Yes, someone actually advertised schnauzeranians!!!

§ 24 Responses to Breeds that are Not a Breed

  • Dianne says:

    While crosses are not breeds, I would not consider a horse with two, known breeds in it’s background to be a mutts either.

    Is there a registry for quarabs? I don’t think you can have a breed without a registry. I consider words like quarab, morab, anglo-arab, and thorodale to be descriptions. They tell you, concisely, what breeds the parents of the horse are. One you can add to your Breeds That Are Not list is American Show Horse (Arab/Saddlebred crosses).

    The term first generation hybrid (H1) is used in plant breeding. I assume it is used in animal breeding as well. Maybe you should do a little research before you spout off.

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Thanks for the comment.
      While the term “mutts” might be a little harsh in your eyes, it was to make a point. I have seen ads that say “purebred Arapaloosa”. That is an oxymoron. You can maybe register the horse with one or both of the originating breed registries. But Quarab is not an actual breed.
      And yes, there is a “United Quarab Registry”, who also now accept Painted Quarabs as well (yippee!), but it is not a breed. That would be like saying the Designer Breed Registry (http://www.designerbreedregistry.com/) for dogs is an actual breed registry.

      Just because someone creates a “breed registry” for mixed breed animals, does not make it an actual breed.

      The definition of the word breed means “a relatively homogenous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by humans” (homogeneous meaning all the same) and “lineage; stock; strain”. Actual breed registries have extremely specific guidelines as to height and conformation, etc. These “designer” breed registries do not.

      Now, all that being said, I don’t believe mixed bred dogs, cats or horses are any less special because of their mixed ancestry. I have three mixed-breed dogs, and two mixed breed horses. I love them as much as my one purebred dog and one purebred horse. I don’t look any differently at one over the other. And I believe there are inherent issues with (specifically) purebred dogs (example: hip dysplasia to name just one).

      If you read the article as it was intended… what I don’t like is people trying to fool the uneducated purchaser that they are buying something “purebred” when it is a mix of two or more breeds.

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      • T. Mclellan says:

        I agree with that statement . There are too many ppl out there who don’t educate (actually read books) themselves , BERFORE they aquire a dog , horse, etc. I too see many ads , a most recent one was someone selling “purebred” GSD , with the mother dog being GSD/lab. How is that purebred, well the dad was GSD only, not mixed .

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  • Not A Breed says:

    I have to add here that just the other day I was at the vet with my Border Collie / Lab X (what shall I call him, a BorderDor? a Labraborder?) and a woman was picking up her young dog who’d just been neutered (thankfully). She’d named him “Fendi” because he’d cost her so much.

    The dog came bounding out of the back and was a medium sized (almost as tall as our larger purebred lab) cinnamon colored cute dog. She looked at me and said “They guaranteed me a miniature labradoodle… did I get ripped off?”

    I looked at her and said bluntly “yes”.

    THIS is what pisses me off.

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  • I find Combining the names of Breeds on a Cross Bred anything is confusing.
    If they would just use the Full Breed name then the ad would be more likely to show up on a search.

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  • Diana B says:

    Gosh your list of horses is pretty short. I see you missed the American Quarter Horse. Most of them are a mix of the original QH breed with Thoroughbred blood mixed in. Many horse “breeds” have Thoroughbred added to the blood now and then. Do you contend that none of these are breeds?

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Well Diana, thanks for your comment. I haven’t had much time to work on the list (it was actually more of a rant on the designer dog industry but does apply to horses as well).
      I personally have an Appendix Quarter Horse. I’m not a genetics specialist by any means, but I believe there are several breeds that allow the introduction of a specific other breed such as Thoroughbred, but they are registered separately. I think this is a slightly different mindset than the purebred dog industry.

      There are also several horse breeds that have to go through extensive testing to even be listed in the breed books. Those tests not only include DNA testing, but also conformation, temperament, etc. Now that’s the kind of breed registry I’d like to be a part of!

      Maybe the fact that I’m not a genetics specialist OR a professional breeder of anything is what has held me back from going further into the list regarding horses. :)

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  • Phoebe O says:

    I like what you’re getting at here.

    However, at one time there actually was an Arappaloosa registry. I know because my horse’s parents are both registered Arappaloosas. I have the pedigree and the registration numbers. I was also sent the registration papers for my horse, however when we sent them back to the registry, there was no reply, so I am assuming that the registry is no more.

    Not disagreeing with you, just letting you know that at one time not long ago Arappaloosas actually were a breed with a registry. They even had their own breed shows. This has changed now, so I guess you could now say that they are a designer breed.

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    • BlackJaq says:

      Maybe there was once a registry for Arappaloosas, but there is also a Blue Eyed Horse Registry. Does that make lue eyed horses a breed, too?

      Anybody can make up a registry and register their own breeds. If you wanted to, you could create your own Arappaloosa registry and cross them with Shire Horses, too. According to your registry, that would then be a “breed”. That does not mean the rest of the world has to recognize it.

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  • First, a “first generation hybrid” is called the F1, not H1, generation. If you cross to F1s, the next generation is F2, and so on.

    BTW, Appaloosas, paints, pintos, palominos, buckskins, etc., are NOT breeds, either. They are color registries. I used to own a paint mare and she had two blue dun foals. None of them are any kind of purebred BREED. Since the color registries base their inclusion of the horse purely on color requirements, and they can be of any actual BREED, they are NOT breeds. My two blue dun foals were not allowed to be registered as paints; the filly could be registered as “breeding stock”, but the gelding obviously could not.

    A purebred breed has established conformational characteristics that are fairly easily recognizable, regardless of color. And the resulting foal of the breeding of two “purebreds” should get a registered foal that is also a recognizable member of the breed. Paints have limited themselves to the stock horse silhouette, but it is still not a breed. Crop-out foals from the AQHA (foals with too much white) end up in the Paint horse registry. But Paint horse foals with not enough white end up in limbo.

    Palominos cannot ever be a breed because you can’t breed two palominos together and get a palomino 100% of the time. Because of the dilution gene in the palomino that dilutes a chestnut to palomino, you would have a 25% chance of getting a cremello, a 50% chance of getting palomino, and a 25% chance of getting a chestnut. The only 100% way of getting a palomino foal is by breeding a palomino to a chestnut. This is NOT a breed.

    NONE of the color registries are BREEDS! NONE!

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  • Jenn says:

    Hi!! I agree with you, and wanted to add that it really pees me off when these people who have taken two purebred dogs and put them together for their own amusement at naming them (I mean C’mon …. BUGGLE??) do not realize that just because these two dogs are not of the same breed, they ARE the same species, and if one or more carries genetic oopses such as hip dysplaysia, or eye or ear or mental problems, you do not create super puppies who are like what people’s thoughts are of the mutts of past days where the best of the best bred and made nice healthy very put bred dogs …. but that this type of mating (although FUN to NAME!!) can actually still throw mutants, genetic issues, in fact even doubling up on some nasty things in there because form some reason they believe THOSE genes don’t get passed on, whereas whatever the ‘good’ traits are of both breeds do? UGH!! Double UGH and you people need to be smacked!! (can I do it?? Puleeeze??)

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  • Kim says:

    you people really are not all that bright , heres an example of one of your so called purebreeds lol

    Bred by English gamekeepers in the 19th to assist English wardens or gamekeepers guard estates. As a result the Bullmastiff is known as the Gamekeeper’s Night Dog. The Bullmastiff was a cross of 40% Old English Bulldog (not the short, chubby Bulldog of today) and 60% English Mastiff for its size, strength and loyalty. They bark much less often than other breeds; however, they will bark on alarm.

    The Bullmastiff was recognized as a pure-bred dog in 1924 by the English Kennel Club. In October, 1933, the American Kennel Club recognized the Bullmastiff. The first standard for the breed was approved in 1935.[4][5] The standard has undergone several revisions since then. The most current version is available on the AKC web site.[6]

    And this is just one example ,you cross breeds to get the best quailtys you want from those dogs ,ask any vet most cross breed dogs are healthy then your so called pedigree

    how about this one right from the akc page
    ……
    The Irish Setter became popular in the 18th century throughout Ireland and the British Isles. Developed from a mix of Irish Water Spaniel, Irish Terrier, English Setter, Spaniel, Pointer, and a dash of Gordon Setter, the breed was originally used to “set” game, crouching low near the birds so that the hunters could walk up and throw a net over bird and dog. When firearms were introduced, the Irish adapted into a gun dog that pointed, flushed and hunted in an upright stance.

    :) wow what a mutt that one is lol

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Hmmm. Not sure what your point is, other than to agree with me.
      I SAID mixed breeds are generally more healthy…
      I SAID it takes many years and generations to create a new breed. And that includes breeding to get the characteristics you’re looking for.
      I SAID just mixing two breeds together does not make a ‘purebred’ anything.

      Thanks again for proving my points. :)

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  • Boots says:

    I find your language quite offensive, may I add. I don’t think you need to go off your head.

    I don’t know whether to agree with you or not.
    Most breeds these days aren’t breeds. Everything was basically crossed with everything many many years ago.

    So, what is a purebred in your eyes?
    Which horses do you believe are purebreds? And which dogs?
    I’m interested to know.

    I’ve found a few errors in your writing, so you might like to go read up about things before you go off your head.

    I think it is up to people if they’d like to class their ‘breed’ as a breed. Crossbreeding can create more suitable pets/work animals.
    Definition of a breed:
    “Animals that, through selection and breeding, have come to resemble one another and pass those traits uniformly to their offspring.”

    In true fact, many animals are cross bred, and are classed as breeds. I’d like you to find for me, what are true breeds of say, horses? That weren’t crossbred in the first place?

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    • Not A Breed says:

      Hey Boots. I’m so sorry you find my language offensive. That will keep me up at night.
      :)

      Yes, breeds were “crossed” years ago. BUT, like I’ve said A MILLION times already… to classify as a breed, you must, oh, wait, fuck it, why don’t you actually READ the post AND the comments. I’m not going to repeat myself over and over again.

      As for leaving it up to people to willy-nilly decide to classify their breed as a breed… that’s fucking STUPID.
      You QUOTED me regarding the definition of a breed… so if you read that much, why are you even asking these questions?

      And yes, I also said that cross-breeds are often more healthy. Sheesh. R.E.A.D.

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  • Catherine says:

    F1, F2, F3, etc. is how the generations are noted with horses. It takes a minimum of 3 generations to be considered a breed and a fair number of them as well. F1 needs to be bred to F1 creating F2. F2 needs to be bred to F2 to create F3…etc. No cross breeding from the original parent breeds. IE. The Morab association in Canada is working with Agriculture Canada and the Animal Pedigree Act to create this evolving breed. There is not any other blood allowed besides the Purebred Morgan and Purebred Arabian to start the F1 and thus making each consecutive generation nothing but Morgan and Arabian blood. It takes time and years to be officially a breed.

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  • Bronty says:

    Amen to this. Until you have bred the breed with correct documentation and in a way that kennel clubs recongise the breed with multiple generations then you do not have a a “pure bred dog” you have a mutt (Which I love. All my dogs have been mutts but I never blended their names together…weird trend)

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